half of Poles have returned home from Britain 'not true', says Polish expert

[martino]

Sydney/Australia goes without saying. Singapore is a thriving place, Shanghai I don't konw too much about. But in either of these Asian Metroples who will find a different type of immigration compared to the mass immigration in the West-more regional, or internal even. But try and immigrate their-how easy is that, I wonder.

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

I've no idea what you're wibbling on about with your carts and horses, nor with your unsupported badly-written anecdotes that you seem to believe demonstrate that multiculturalism doesn't exist. I'm not interested in your ex-girlfriend's family or how some Asian shopkeepers were mean to you. It's not all about you, son.

I've never said that London is brilliant because it's so ethnically diverse (much as you'd like me to). The simple point that I'm making (that you seem singularly incapable of understanding) is this).

Can't wait to hear your definition of "multicultural" for starters.

There are countless posters on this site and others who believe that mass immigration and multiculturalism are inherently dangerous policies, failed philosophies that will drive Western society into the ground. But when you look at a broad selection of surveys that assess countries and cities for their living standards, human development, levels of peacefulness and quality-of-life, multi-ethnic and multicultural places are dominant).

The Brixton and Bradford riots not ringing any bells? Granted these manifestations of the simmering tinderbox that is race relations in the U.K. don't kick off all that often.Natives,however, are dealing with the tensions by simpy moving on and away from areas of mass immigration.Fact.

A study commissioned by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and called Development of a Migration Model found that the more ethnic minorities there were in an area, the more likely people were to move out. It concluded: “The higher proportion of out-migration from places with the greater presence of non-white people conforms to the much reported push factor as white flight.” This is mere fact.Immigration breeds more segregation.I don't know anyone who desires that.Trevor Phillips, head of the UK Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, and Mike Poulsen, an Australian academic, have claimed that White Britons and non-white Britons are becoming more segregated than ever.

They use properly-sourced statistics to make their evaluations).

Bollox.

You tell me that the "list of factors you cite has no bearing on the ethnic make-up of a given city or nation. Any correlation to these factors and "multiculturism" is mere co-incidence". Again, that's your unsupported allegation masquerading as fact. In the Mercer's survey discussed above, for example, 28 of the top-ranked 30 cities are in countries with high numbers of ethnic minorities and immigrant populations. Surely, if multiculturalism has such a deleterious effect, these places should all be struggling. Many of them have had high levels of immigration for generations and yet there they still are, at the top of the heap. How can this be so?).

Well,we've stepped on quite the landline here,haven't we.
For starters I would love to hear your expose on the economic theory that multi ethnic cities,by virtue of this fact alone,are more industious and succesful.We would all love to hear the economic mechanics of that notion fleshed out.

The inconvenient truth however is that minorites are twices as likely to be unemployed,Oh dear.This little nugget from the TUC (Trade Union Congress) btw.(left wing enough for you?)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4655193.stm

Unemployment rates amongst different ethnic minorities tends to be higher.

For example, Unemployment statistics for 2001-02 UK Economy:


White 4%
Pakistani 16%
Bangladeshi 22%
Black Caribbean 12%
Indian 7%
Chinese 6%

Source: Official for National Statistics, Annual Local Area Labour Force Survey 28 March 2003

Im not sure how these figures marry with your notion of a multi-ethnic industrial powerhouse theory but sure,give it a go.

these surveys seems like a good starting point. The company carrying out the research is reputable and serious and they've gone to the trouble of doing 215 of these reports. Maybe they know what they're on about.

Well,officially sanctioned bodies haven't been doing a wonderful job of properly representing data at the mo (IPCC) and given the highly politicised nature of these things I think I'll stick with my own actual experience thank you kindly.

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

White flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Catalpa]

No, its damn well not occurring! What is indeed occurring, is a population displacement/replacement in Blanch.

That is what ethnic cleansing is about - population displacement/replacement !

[gnasher]

Can't wait to hear your definition of "multicultural" for starters.



The Brixton and Bradford riots not ringing any bells? Granted these manifestations of the simmering tinderbox that is race relations in the U.K. don't kick off all that often.Natives,however, are dealing with the tensions by simpy moving on and away from areas of mass immigration.Fact.

A study commissioned by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and called Development of a Migration Model found that the more ethnic minorities there were in an area, the more likely people were to move out. It concluded: “The higher proportion of out-migration from places with the greater presence of non-white people conforms to the much reported push factor as white flight.” This is mere fact.Immigration breeds more segregation.I don't know anyone who desires that.Trevor Phillips, head of the UK Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, and Mike Poulsen, an Australian academic, have claimed that White Britons and non-white Britons are becoming more segregated than ever.

Bollox.


Well,we've stepped on quite the landline here,haven't we.
For starters I would love to hear your expose on the economic theory the multi ethnic cities,by virtue of this fact alone,are more industious and succesful.We would all love to hear the economic mechanics of that notion fleshed out.

The inconvenient truth however is that minorites are twices as likely to be unemployed,Oh dear.This little nugget from the TUC (Trade Union Congress) btw.

BBC NEWS | Business | Ethnic groups 'face job battle'



Well,officially sanctioned bodies haven't been doing a wonderful job of properly representing data at the mo (IPCC) and given the highly politicised nature of these things I think I'll stick with my own actual experience thank you kindly.

Hold on. Has someone stepped on the landline. I can't hear you, you'll have to speak up.

Fun and all as it is to watch you drift away from properly-sourced facts and figures on the good ship Conspiracy Theory, waving a white flag and shouting "Bollocks!", there are a couple of quick points I'll make in response to your bizarre post.

Firstly, to suggest that riots in Brixton and Bradford close to thirty and ten years ago respectively are representative of everyday life for the vast majority of people in Britain is just idiotic. You're falling into the same trap as you did above by taking a couple of very specific incidents (eg. your fourteen years in London) and extrapolating from them to suggest that these are universal experiences. They're just not.

Talking about "the simmering tinderbox that is race relations in the U.K" is hysterical and overblown nonsense. One in ten children in Britain is mixed-race, as is one in four primary-school kids in London. There are more mixed-race people in Britain now than there are Black Caribbeans, Black Africans, Chinese or Bangladeshis. Those families presumably mange to get on well enough. It's instructive that the best examples you can give of just how bad ethnic tensions are in Britain today is to drag up riots from 1981 and 2001. At that rate we can expect another one in 2021. Thank God you left in time.

And I worry a little about your literacy. Very often you see things that aren't there. If you can show me where I said "that multi ethnic cities,by virtue of this fact alone,are more industious and succesful", I'll buy you a comic. There are multi-ethnic success stories and disasters, there are mono-ethnic success stories and disasters.

The point that I've made over and over and over again is that if multiculturalism and multi-ethnicity has such a damaging effect on society as countless posters here maintain, then surely such places should ALL be struggling. Instead, on every list that measures quality-of-life, human development etc the higher reaches of the lists are dominated by multi-ethnic and multicultural places. It's not that they're just getting by all right, it's that they're among the best places to live in the world.

It's bizarre the lengths that people will go to to completely rubbish these straightforward facts. We've had your hilarious claims that you can channel the opinion of the entire population of London on the topic of race, then watched you ridicule the notion that issues like personal safety, law enforcement, hospital and medical services, public transport, traffic congestion, schools, public services, pollution and housing have any bearing on day-to-day life in a city, then change your mind and say that in fact YOU can speak with more authority on all these topics than any third-party organisation whose business is evaluating such things.

It's comical. Some baying half-witted racist loon writes something on a blog and many people here take it as Gospel. Give them extensive facts and figures from a proper source and, assuming they don't like what they're hearing, they'll tell you that the University of Uppsala, for example, are as much a part of the New World Order as all those climatologists who don't like oil companies. I think I saw one of them under your bed earlier. He'd cut the landline and was brandishing a chart.

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

The point that I've made over and over and over again is that if multiculturalism and multi-ethnicity has such a damaging effect on society as countless posters here maintain, then surely such places should ALL be struggling. Instead, on every list that measures quality-of-life, human development etc the higher reaches of the lists are dominated by multi-ethnic and multicultural places. It's not that they're just getting by all right, it's that they're among the best places to live in the world.

It's bizarre the lengths that people will go to to completely rubbish these straightforward facts. We've had your hilarious claims that you can channel the opinion of the entire population of London on the topic of race, then watched you ridicule the notion that issues like personal safety, law enforcement, hospital and medical services, public transport, traffic congestion, schools, public services, pollution and housing have any bearing on day-to-day life in a city, then change your mind and say that in fact YOU can speak with more authority on all these topics than any third-party organisation whose business is evaluating such things.

It's comical. Some baying half-witted racist loon writes something on a blog and many people here take it as Gospel. Give them extensive facts and figures from a proper source and, assuming they don't like what they're hearing, they'll tell you that the University of Uppsala, for example, are as much a part of the New World Order as all those climatologists who don't like oil companies. I think I saw one of them under your bed earlier. He'd cut the landline and was brandishing a chart.

Ah,I see what's happening here.

A - you equate economic success and material "convenience" to qaulity of life...How droll.How very modern of you.

B - You have chosen to uphold one "source" above all othersThat is your perogative,However....:


UK has lowest quality of life in Europe

A new report has revealed UK citizens have the lowest quality of life in the whole of Europe, due to long working hours, lower holiday entitlement, and high living costs – even though they enjoy the highest net household income, an average £35,730, which is more than £10,000 higher than the European average.

According to the uSwitch.com European Quality of Life survey, people in the UK have a lower life expectancy than those in France, Germany, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands.

UK has lowest quality of life in Europe | Business | ICM Commercial & Business News

You see,for every stat you profer I can find something to the contrary,Thats how stats work.Nature of the beast.

1,650 immigrants per day wrecking the quality of life in UK: Poll

London, July 14(ANI): A major poll has found that almost half of all Brits consider the record 1,650 immigrants settling in every day are wrecking the quality of life in UK.

The YouGov poll, commissioned by Optimum Population Trust, also found that two-thirds of the 2,000 people demanded a limit imposed to stem the flow of immigrants to stop population explosion,

1,650 immigrants per day wrecking the quality of life in UK: Poll

Low ranking for Britain’s quality of life

The Quality of Life Index, created by International Living magazine, rates countries on nine categories including culture and leisure, the environment, safety and weather. France is currently at the top of the poll, followed by Australia, Switzerland and Germany.

Last year Britain was ranked 20th in the world, which suggests that the nation’s quality of life is falling

Low ranking for Britain?s quality of life - Chartered Quality Institute

Shall I go on? I can do this dance all day.

P.s.

The angry,spitting disdainful style you enjoy doesn't convey authority (I suspect u think it does) but rather ignorant desperation and impatience.

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

One more for larks:

Poll: Britain worse now than 20 years ago

Nearly half the population thinks Britain is a worse place to live than it was 20 years ago, a poll taken for the BBC has found.

Poll: Britain worse now than 20 years ago| News | This is London


Certainly my experience,not that such things count when one has "Statistics" from "proper" sources to wave about.

[gnasher]

Ah,I see what's happening here.

A - you equate economic success and material "convenience" to qaulity of life...How droll.How very modern of you.

B - You have chosen to uphold one "source" above all othersThat is your perogative,However....:


"


UK has lowest quality of life in Europe | Business | ICM Commercial & Business News

You see,for every stat you profer I can find something to the contrary,Thats how stats work.Nature of the beast.

1,650 immigrants per day wrecking the quality of life in UK: Poll



1,650 immigrants per day wrecking the quality of life in UK: Poll

Low ranking for Britain’s quality of life



Low ranking for Britain?s quality of life - Chartered Quality Institute

Shall I go on? I can do this dance all day.

P.s.

The angry,spitting disdainful style you enjoy doesn't convey authority (I suspect u think it does) but rather ignorant desperation and impatience.

If you suspect that I have disdain for you, then you'd be right: I think throughout this discussion you've been wilfully stupid and dishonest. Is it possible that you seriously believe you're in a position to speak for the entire population of London with authority and accuracy, simply dismissing facts and figures that you don't like, because you lived there for fourteen years? Is it really credible that you think that factors like education, traffic, public transport, crime, personal safety, law enforcement, public services and sanitation have NO bearing on the day-to-day quality-of-life in a city? Are you a megalomaniac or an idiot? It's hard to say.

I give you a list of dozens of criteria by which these countries were assessed like health, gender equality, life expectancy, adult literacy, educational enrolment, political and media censorship, school quality and housing and you say- after I've re-iterated this point to you countless times- that I obviously "equate economic success and material "convenience" to qaulity of life...How droll.How very modern of you." Short answer: no, you dose. Read the bloody list.

And you've consistently misquoted and misrepresented my argument, claiming that I've said things that I never said and putting forward stupid boring clichés of your own fabrication that have nothing to do with me. I don't think you're doing all this because you're thick. I think you're doing it because you've been shown up over and over again in this discussion as not knowing what you're talking about. All that's left for you to do is to lie and misrepresent my very simple argument.

It's nice to see you linking to proper sources to support your argument. Unfortunately, you've made a couple of basic errors. The quality-of-life survey you cite only assesses ten European countries for starters and so it's not really fair to say that the "UK has lowest quality of life in Europe". Notwithstanding that, France, Spain, Germany, Holland and Sweden are all ethnically diverse countries that score higher than Britain, according to this survey.

You seem to have forgotten that the point I'm making is NOT that Britain is the best place to live in the world, but that when it comes to surveys like this, multi-ethnic countries always dominate the top of the lists. Your link backs that argument up.

The second survey you cite is topped by France, Australia, Switzerland and Germany, all countries with high levels of immigration and ethnically diverse. It's amazing, really. Given that there were 194 countries ranked on this survey, I don't think Britain's ranking of 20th is too bad but, hey, that's a subjective opinion.

I also would say that this one is a bit lightweight; on their website there's a lot of talk about camembert and paté and the cost of a cottage in the Dordogne. The Mercer's one I mentioned earlier focused more on serious things like housing, personal safety, medical services, education, transport... You know yourself.

Still, not bad for a first-timer. Keep on posting those links. The trick will be to find one that undoes the point I'm making, not that corroborates it. Good luck.

[gnasher]

One more for larks:

Poll: Britain worse now than 20 years ago



Poll: Britain worse now than 20 years ago| News | This is London


Certainly my experience,not that such things count when one has "Statistics" from "proper" sources to wave about.

Or, in another way of presenting the same information, most people in Britain think life today is the same or better than it was twenty years ago.

HINT: I'm not arguing that Britain is the best place to live in the world. You need to go back and remind yourself what you're trying to do here.

[Nodin]

Comment sums you up. A half wit delusional "not in my neigbourhood" mass immigrationist. You obviously have no idea what is happening in the likes of "blancho", safe as you are in your ivory tower. You're either a profiteer in the legal trade, a welfarite landlord or some other rainforest alliance dirtbag whose gravy is stirred by the Irish immigration scam.

...hope you didn't pay full price for that crystal ball......

Certainly my experience,not that such things count when one has "Statistics" from "proper" sources to wave about.
.

Earlier you stated

Indeed...the "official view" my arse. I can tell you the official view sits nicely out of view from the London Ghettos.Out of sight (ie , unreported) is out of mind.

Why is it unreported?