half of Poles have returned home from Britain 'not true', says Polish expert

[Nodin]

It is occuring right now - by stealth!

What, like Ninjas? They can't be very stealthy if you've noticed now, can they.

[sondagefaux]

What, like Ninjas? They can't be very stealthy if you've noticed now, can they.

Don't underestimate the cunning of these people.

First they move into an area.

Then they DON'T bring in laws saying that all Irish people have to leave.

Then they DON'T threaten the Irish people.

Then they DON'T kill the Irish people.

Then they DON'T rape the Irish people.

Then they DON'T burn the Irish people's houses down.

They're cunning you see - it's all done by stealth.

[martino]

Why in the name of God would anyone want to ethnically cleanse that place? If you're going to get rid of the natives then get rid of them from somewhere half-decent...

I found that comment very strange too.

Maybe he just expressed himself badly, or maybe the mask slipped off just for a moment and the true hatred he harbours for Irish people, and more specifically the people of this part of Dublin, came into view. This is a common condition amongst ardent proponents of multi-culuturalism; they, having never successfully integrated or ever feeling wholly accepted my their own people, turn on those people and wish them nothing but ill, culminating in the wish for them to be supplanted by new peoples who, their misled thinking believes, will embrace them and love them as being the ones who facilitated from within the new colonialism.

It is known as self-hatred and is a most pitiable condition, exacerbated by the fact that the newcomers show little respect for these inadequate people either and consider them nothing but 'useful idiots'. It is common amongst schizoids, adoptees, ego-maniacs, chronic under-achievers and those who in general feel 'under-appreciated' by the world and feel they automatically deserve a more elevated position in society due to their 'special talents', or highly evolved sensibilities.

Then again, as I said, maybe he just said something stupid. In either case, perhaps he would care to explain.

[Camper Van]

So you'll be able to tell me when the "ethnic cleansing" occurred in Blancho then......

Comment sums you up. A half wit delusional "not in my neigbourhood" mass immigrationist. You obviously have no idea what is happening in the likes of "blancho", safe as you are in your ivory tower. You're either a profiteer in the legal trade, a welfarite landlord or some other rainforest alliance dirtbag whose gravy is stirred by the Irish immigration scam.

[sondagefaux]

I found that comment very strange too.

It's called a joke. Lighten up boys.

Now back to the ethnic cleansing by stealth issue.

Are the ethnic cleansers going around secretly killing Irish people?

Or are they just moving into the area?

How does this ethnic cleansing by stealth thing work?

[yayo]

It's called a joke. Lighten up boys.

A joke, eh? I dont find ethnic cleansing a joking matter. Meh, I'm strange like that.

Anyway, back on topic. Mass immigration from Poland into Ireland........

[yayo]

It is occuring right now - by stealth!

No, its damn well not occurring! What is indeed occurring, is a population displacement/replacement in Blanch.

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

It's called a joke. Lighten up boys.

Now back to the ethnic cleansing by stealth issue.

Are the ethnic cleansers going around secretly killing Irish people?

Or are they just moving into the area?

How does this ethnic cleansing by stealth thing work?

Well here's an exampe for ya.While canvassing and leafleting during Lisbon 2 around parts of D24 I found areas that were already in excess of 60% (non scientific guestimate) percent foreign occupancy.These were in places I grew up in and around.Areas where I once knew who lived in every house.Now,my folks and those neighbours remaining are terrified everytime a FOR SALE sign goes up.This is the reality of working class areas now.People are genuinely concerned about who might be coming to live next store.I know of folk who are crucifed with gangs of Eastern EUers living next door causing mayhem with their endless drunken bachanals.

It reached the point in my canvass were one could determine if a house was worth bothering with by the state of the Garden and the improvised curtains that are in vogue with our foreign guests.The anger from locals was palpable.

Unfortunaltely my parents and others like them can't afford to live in gated communities in Killiney,where out sight is out of mind...for now at least

Of course,this is just my experience of the reality of things on the ground.No doubt gnasher has some hard nosed statisic to prove I'm nought but a numpty.

[Camper Van]

It's called a joke. Lighten up boys.

Now back to the ethnic cleansing by stealth issue.

Are the ethnic cleansers going around secretly killing Irish people?

Or are they just moving into the area?

How does this ethnic cleansing by stealth thing work?

You'd have Michael McIntyre worried with material like that. What do you do for an encore? Paint walls?

[gnasher]

This merely illustrates London's growing ethnic/immigration status.It is not an example of some flavour of Utopia.


London being an ecomonic hub and tourist destination is a reason for it's multi ethnic make-up not because of.People don't go to London to see the Hindu slums of Ealing Broadway,I assure you.You seem to have put the cart before the horse.

You originally posed the following question " If it is the case that multiculturalism is such a failed philosophy, how can this be so? I've asked this question repeatedly and have never got a proper answer to it. "

A - Multiculturalism doesn't exist,I don't know anyone who celebrates Easter and Diwali and Purim.

A multiplicity of cultures in one geoprahic area does not make for a multicultural society but rather a society of multiple cultures many of whom don't particulalry like each other.
Never had a Muslin or Hindu shop owner throw your change back at you,refusing to touch your skin? You can't have spent much time in London if the answer is no.

B - The list of factors you cite has no bearing on the ethnic make-up of a given city or nation.Any correlation to these factors and "multiculturism" is mere co-incidence and or a false premise.It has no bearing on the discussion in question which is this.Do we want Ethnic slums of immigrants in Ireland?

I would have thought this obvious,but I guess not.Your lack of anger management abiltiy has clouded your thinking process's it seems.
Statsitical economic/sociological indicators have no bearing on this issue.The stats showing the massive exodus from London and other European cities tell the real story here.

First off, the fact that there is a significant level of contact, intermarrying and breeding between the races in London demonstrates the fact that you were talking through your hole when you said above "London is a stark example of the reality that people don't/won't mix". Pure rubbish. Lots of them do. Maybe your experience wasn't comprehensively representative of your 7,999,999 fellow citizens.

Secondly, I'm glad to see you've jettisoned your idiotic dismissal of quality-of-life factors like crime levels, personal safety, law enforcement, hospital and medical services, public transport, traffic congestion, schools, public services, pollution and housing as having "no bearing on real day to day living" and being "utterly meaningless in terms of the reality of day to day living as I know and experienced first hand". Maybe you've seen the error of your ways.

Also, it's good that you seem to have got over your outbreak of megalomania that led you to believe that you could summarily dismiss all objectively-sourced facts and figures on the basis of your fourteen years in London. Want to know the REAL story about public transport and housing in the British capital? Forget statistics compiled by reputable third-party organisations. Just ask this clown.

I've no idea what you're wibbling on about with your carts and horses, nor with your unsupported badly-written anecdotes that you seem to believe demonstrate that multiculturalism doesn't exist. I'm not interested in your ex-girlfriend's family or how some Asian shopkeepers were mean to you. It's not all about you, son.

I've never said that London is brilliant because it's so ethnically diverse (much as you'd like me to). The simple point that I'm making (that you seem singularly incapable of understanding) is this.

There are countless posters on this site and others who believe that mass immigration and multiculturalism are inherently dangerous policies, failed philosophies that will drive Western society into the ground. But when you look at a broad selection of surveys that assess countries and cities for their living standards, human development, levels of peacefulness and quality-of-life, multi-ethnic and multicultural places are dominant.

Despite your dishonest attempts to mis-represent them, these surveys aren't based on the number of sushi bars per square mile or the distance between Prius dealers. Instead, they assess these places using criteria like life expectancy, adult literacy, educational enrolment, political and media censorship, school quality, housing, the environment, public safety, public transport, crime, health, political stability and freedom, security, family life, community life, climate, job security and gender equality. They use properly-sourced statistics to make their evaluations.

You tell me that the "list of factors you cite has no bearing on the ethnic make-up of a given city or nation. Any correlation to these factors and "multiculturism" is mere co-incidence". Again, that's your unsupported allegation masquerading as fact. In the Mercer's survey discussed above, for example, 28 of the top-ranked 30 cities are in countries with high numbers of ethnic minorities and immigrant populations. Surely, if multiculturalism has such a deleterious effect, these places should all be struggling. Many of them have had high levels of immigration for generations and yet there they still are, at the top of the heap. How can this be so?

Now, we know that you thought London was a sh*thole. But for anyone who doesn't know you from a hole in the ground and wants to get some sort of objective idea of what life in London is like, one of these surveys seems like a good starting point. The company carrying out the research is reputable and serious and they've gone to the trouble of doing 215 of these reports. Maybe they know what they're on about.

Not so, says Son_of_the_Republic. I lived in London for FOURTEEN years and I can tell you categorically to forget these thirty-nine broad-based facts and figures and listen instead to my personal anecdotes. Feel my pain and understand the truth of London life. Hmmm.

And having made this argument with a variety of posters, it's comforting to see you resort to doing what they all did when faced with this overwhelming amount of objective evidence from sources like the Economist Intelligence Unit, the UN, Euromonitor, Mercer's, King's College London and the University of Uppsala: posting links to far-right bloggers and half-baked articles by right-wing journalists that deal with just one issue. Scary dark people, most of them Muslim. Plus ça change... (that's French).