Time for Biological father to pay the bill

[hopi watcher]

A loving father would want to see his child. Currently unless he is married to the mother he has no right to even see the child. In your la la land a "loving" father has to hand over the cash and the mother can then decide if he can see the child if at all. In effect the "loving" father is paying for a child who may well not even recognise him having not seen him. It happens for the loony left like yourself it is all about being on message and getting the hbearded ones and the harridans to think you "right on". A patent injustice and you can't admit it.

Next time there is a thread on social welfare or any other social topic don't ever start your bleeding heart socialist clap trap. It is clear from this thread it is not genuine. Either you believe in fairness or you don't.

I'll ignore all the childishness But you actually think that because a father cannot see his child, witholding any contribution to the upbringing is fair. Is fair on who? Not the child, that's a no brainer and the child is the most important part of the equation.Can you genuinely not see that?

[Clanrickard]

I'll ignore all the childishness But you actually think that because a father cannot see his child, witholding any contribution to the upbringing is fair. Is fair on who? Not the child, that's a no brainer and the child is the most important part of the equation.Can you genuinely not see that?

Actually I worry about you as you seem to be a bit thick. Yes I can the child is the most important part of the equation but that father's also have rights and a father in my opinion should have automatic rights to see their children. The father having automatic guardianship rights doesn't have any impact on the child's rights. What it does impact on is the ability of women to exercise vindictiveness and try and prevent fathers from seeing their children out of anger or bad mindedness. The fact you can't see that is disgraceful. Under no circumstances should any father give a red cent unless he has rights to the child. No say. No pay.

[hopi watcher]

Actually I worry about you as you seem to be a bit thick. Yes I can the child is the most important part of the equation but that father's also have rights and a father in my opinion should have automatic rights to see their children. The father having automatic guardianship rights doesn't have any impact on the child's rights. What it does impact on is the ability of women to exercise vindictiveness and try and prevent fathers from seeing their children out of anger or bad mindedness. The fact you can't see that is disgraceful. Under no circumstances should any father give a red cent unless he has rights to the child. No say. No pay.

So what you are about is treating vindictiveness with vindictiveness, with the child caught in the middle. What a nice fellow you are. BTW fathers do have an automatic right to access to their children. You clearly don't even know what you spouting on about.

[gaius hippingo]

Considering this is a very complex and convoluted issue, with many vaguaries that need addressing and a lot of people who will take offence, dont expect any movement anytime soon from our barkeepers-turned-politicians.

[Foghorn]

So what you are about is treating vindictiveness with vindictiveness, with the child caught in the middle. What a nice fellow you are. BTW fathers do have an automatic right to access to their children. You clearly don't even know what you spouting on about.

Why do you always have to be so nasty when someone disagrees with you? In any event your nastiness has no bearing on your being correct, because you are dead wrong.

According to Access to children and unmarried couples-Information from CitizensInformation.ie

By law in Ireland, unmarried mothers are the sole guardians of children born outside of marriage. Unless the mother agrees to sign a statutory declaration an unmarried father must apply to the court in order to become a legal guardian of his child.

A father may apply for access whether or not he is a guardian. He can do this even if his name is not on the child's birth certificate, and even where his application for joint guardianship has been turned down.
If both guardianship and access are being applied for, then separate applications must be made, but both applications will be heard by the court at the same time.

As you say - "You clearly don't even know what you spouting on about."

[Congalltee]

Considering this is a very complex and convoluted issue, with many vaguaries that need addressing and a lot of people who will take offence, dont expect any movement anytime soon from our barkeepers-turned-politicians.

The most realistic post so far.

Even though abortion would save an awful lot of Children from neglect, poverty and abuse (admittily by preventing them from ever being born), and is legal here under very limited situations our politicians have done nothing since Year X.

[hopi watcher]

Why do you always have to be so nasty when someone disagrees with you? In any event your nastiness has no bearing on your being correct, because you are dead wrong.

According to Access to children and unmarried couples-Information from CitizensInformation.ie





As you say - "You clearly don't even know what you spouting on about."

What was nasty in the post you linked?
And you are wrong, a father has a right to access his child. The court protects that right and that is why a father who is being denied access is adviced to apply to the courts.
It appears you can't even understand the links you post, they make my point.

[TradCat]

The most realistic post so far.

Even though abortion would save an awful lot of Children from neglect, poverty and abuse (admittily by preventing them from ever being born), and is legal here under very limited situations our politicians have done nothing since Year X.

That's nuts! You might as well say murdering someone ensures they will never have to worry about getting shingles. There are reasonable arguments for abortion based on the rights of the mother but let's not pretend we are doing the child a favour.

[hopi watcher]

The most realistic post so far.

Even though abortion would save an awful lot of Children from neglect, poverty and abuse (admittily by preventing them from ever being born), and is legal here under very limited situations our politicians have done nothing since Year X.

If a child could chose, do you really think it would opt for abortion???

[uriah]

No say. No pay.

It is so much more complicated than that.

Some parents abdicate their parental respobsibilities completely;
some (by choice) play a minimal part in the care of their offspring;
And some would like full involvement in the rearing of their children.

But the decisions regarding parental 'rights' should always be made with the best interests of the child being paramount. Surely the parent who has day-to-day responsibility for the care of the child will need to have the right to make decisions regarding the child?

The immediate aftermath of a relationship break-up is often a very messy time for families, with children suffering in the middle. Both parents should contribute financially (according to their means) to their upbringing, but you can't have warring parints fighting over every little decision.

The passage of time usually brings reason and sense to the situation, and both parents (depending on circumstances of course) should, ideally, have equal rights & responsibility and children should have access to both parents (rather than the other way round).