Time for Biological father to pay the bill

[Congalltee]

How wonderfully warm hearted of you, If the mother refuses to abort her child we can take it away when born. And no doubt your plan for healthcare provision is equally cunning, if of a certain age and you fall ill, a tap on the head to finish the job.

Why are you changing the topic? I believe that all essential medical care should have one waiting list. As for Euthanasia, I agree with it for those who freely decided to do it when them competent but incurable, in immense pain, made a will independently and do not any false belief that they are going to a better place.

Any child which is brought up in such immense povery that they would end up as live long on social welfare themselves should be on the Child Care list. Single parents, married whatever. Neglect, malnutrition or abject hopelessness should set alarm bells in social services. There are plenty of caring and willing families out there to take their place.
Are these points not obvious?

[hopi watcher]

Why are you changing the topic? I believe that all essential medical care should have one waiting list. As for Euthanasia, I agree with it for those who freely decided to do it when them competent but incurable, in immense pain, made a will independently and do not any false belief that they are going to a better place.

Any child which is brought up in such immense povery that they would end up as live long on social welfare themselves should be on the Child Care list. Single parents, married whatever. Neglect, malnutrition or abject hopelessness should set alarm bells in social services. There are plenty of caring and willing families out there to take their place.
Are these points not obvious?

What points are you making. Whenever the social services come across the conditions you describe, the child is taken into care.That happens already but we are not talking about such cases here.Sarcasm is not a strong point either I see.

[TheTipperaryMan]

I was once talking to a guy about the issue of fatherhood.
"If a single guy gets girl pregnant why should he be forced to become a father just because she thinks the unborn foetus is a human being? Shouldn't he have the right to decide that she has an abortion if she doesn't want one?"
I am not suprised if many men hold this quite brutal primitive view privately.

[Clanrickard]

I have to say this. That until I joined P.ie I never realised there were so many women hating, cruel, unfeeling bastards out there. I despise you. You make me want to vomit.

You are a very silly and I would surmise a very bitter woman. All parents should be obliged to maintain their kids where they have the resources and all parents should automatically be given guardianship of their children. What's wrong with that? The fact you see parental equality as "woman hating" is indicative of your own bitterness. Go and see a shrink.

[Clanrickard]

Of course, the child still requires upbringing.

Then where the mother wants financial or help she should be prepared to allow the father joint guardianship. If she doesn't allow the father even the most minimal access to the child then he shouldn't pay. The fact you can't see the unfairness in demanding money from fathers yet not not granting them joint guardianship shows how twisted your world view truly is. But then I am not surprised. The left, once in the vanguard of civil rights, is now only interested in towing the ideological line. What a joke.

[buachailrua]

And the father who is now paying the bills should not have joint guardianship of the child. But that is not what happens is it. Until fathers get equal rights they should not be cash cows for women.

Holy cr*p. Im actually agreeing with you Clanrickard. Good on you!
Women are equally to blame. It stakes two to Tango and all that lark....

[jcdf]

In the majority of cases women are left to cope with the child on their own for whatever reason. Should a "father" not be found, what do the women haters propose? That the child starve, go without clothing, live on the side of the road? What? Or would you like a mother of one child to be sterilised?

What about the "moral" women, who marry? I'm not talking about "the sluts" as you rotten lot refer to these mothers. What happens when the married father disappears, leaves the country, and does not pay maintenance? Well? And this happens all the time, as I know from my last job..

But hey, lets not worry about these mothers and more importantly, their children. Let us judge them and as you lousy shower always do, find them wanting.

Tell me, what is it like being as perfect as you? It must be very hard for you to live in this imperfect world where people are not like you, do not agree with you, and frankly despise you. I wonder why that is?

A friend of my daughter, lets call her Mary, had a baby boy. The Husband moved out to be with another woman. He demanded his rights as a father to see his child. No problem, said Mary. you can see our son anytime you wish. After a year he went to Social Services and told them that Mary was not a fit mother and he filed for custody. It was not awarded to him. The court appearances continued as he kept the pressure up. Calling on Social Workers to visit to see if his son was ok because he was so worried about Mary as she was unfit to be a mother. By now Mary had realised that something was badly wrong with her son. He was blind, and was also autistic. The "father" suddenly lost all interest, and he has not been seen since. That was 4 years ago.

I have to say this. That until I joined P.ie I never realised there were so many women hating, cruel, unfeeling bastards out there. I despise you. You make me want to vomit.

The ones who will suffer from all this will be, as usual, the children. And the women. But you like that, don't you?

When I split up from my husband I never got maintenance from him, but I never stopped him from seeing the kids. When I returned to Ireland he cut them out of his life without a thought. Now, because he is very proud of our children, as they are all college graduates and are doing well in life he is making amends, but it is 30 years too late He introduced himself to my/our grandsons when I invited him to stay for a few days after Christmas. which he agreed to. He turned up with his "girlfriend", which was most peculiar, and horrified my children. But he is ill now and wants his family around him. They do not want him, but I insist they keep in touch. He is very sad now,

But money seems to mean more than their love of their children when they are young.

That was very passionate Lazarus. Many men can be self centered bastards playing the system to suit themselves. Some woman can also do this but they are fewer in number, being the weaker sex. What woman need to do is carefully judge the character of any man they intend to conceive with before doing so.

[hopi watcher]

Then where the mother wants financial or help she should be prepared to allow the father joint guardianship. If she doesn't allow the father even the most minimal access to the child then he shouldn't pay. The fact you can't see the unfairness in demanding money from fathers yet not not granting them joint guardianship shows how twisted your world view truly is. But then I am not surprised. The left, once in the vanguard of civil rights, is now only interested in towing the ideological line. What a joke.

You talking about 'twisted world' but see nothing wrong with allowing a father away with making a contribution to the upbringing of his child? What loving father would deprive a child of any contribution he can make to its upbringing regardless of the circumstances. Such a father ought be kept very far away from the child

[myksav]

My definition of sperm donor in this case is the P**** who donates it with consent of woman and then does a runner when she is expecting and they both wish the state to pay while accepting no responsibilty for their own actions.

OP:

The state is being required again and again to provide the income for sperm donors offspring, they put it in and run and hide when the consequences become known leaving someone else to pick up the bill.

Should the state now be very clear in stating that No Benefits will be paid for any child until such time as actual father is stated including genetic test where required and make male concerned responsible for the upkeep of his offspring.

You put it in then be prepared to pay the lifelong bills.

How kind to clarify your definition of "sperm donor".

I hope you also include those men who are already married yet have three or four children by different women, whilst they are married, in your demand for the male parent to foot the bill for their offsprings upbringing?


I presume your OP was inspired by Minister Hanifin's thinking on cutting the Single Parents Allowance once the child reaches 13 years of age.

[Clanrickard]

You talking about 'twisted world' but see nothing wrong with allowing a father away with making a contribution to the upbringing of his child? What loving father would deprive a child of any contribution he can make to its upbringing regardless of the circumstances. Such a father ought be kept very far away from the child

A loving father would want to see his child. Currently unless he is married to the mother he has no right to even see the child. In your la la land a "loving" father has to hand over the cash and the mother can then decide if he can see the child if at all. In effect the "loving" father is paying for a child who may well not even recognise him having not seen him. It happens for the loony left like yourself it is all about being on message and getting the hbearded ones and the harridans to think you "right on". A patent injustice and you can't admit it.

Next time there is a thread on social welfare or any other social topic don't ever start your bleeding heart socialist clap trap. It is clear from this thread it is not genuine. Either you believe in fairness or you don't.