Time for Biological father to pay the bill

[hopi watcher]

If a single woman wants to bring up a child, on her own, is not in a relationship, and doesn't want or need financial assistance from the sperm donor, who donated sperm on the condition that he remain annonymous...then are you saying that both biological parents must do as you say even though both have agreed a way to do things?

I assume you are asking me that question. The scenario you outline is so unusual as to not warrant addressing in the context of this thread. No law could force a mother to accept money she did not want.

[Roland The Gunslinger]

In the majority of cases women are left to cope with the child on their own for whatever reason. Should a "father" not be found, what do the women haters propose? That the child starve, go without clothing, live on the side of the road? What? Or would you like a mother of one child to be sterilised?

What about the "moral" women, who marry? I'm not talking about "the sluts" as you rotten lot refer to these mothers. What happens when the married father disappears, leaves the country, and does not pay maintenance? Well? And this happens all the time, as I know from my last job..

But hey, lets not worry about these mothers and more importantly, their children. Let us judge them and as you lousy shower always do, find them wanting.

Tell me, what is it like being as perfect as you? It must be very hard for you to live in this imperfect world where people are not like you, do not agree with you, and frankly despise you. I wonder why that is?

A friend of my daughter, lets call her Mary, had a baby boy. The Husband moved out to be with another woman. He demanded his rights as a father to see his child. No problem, said Mary. you can see our son anytime you wish. After a year he went to Social Services and told them that Mary was not a fit mother and he filed for custody. It was not awarded to him. The court appearances continued as he kept the pressure up. Calling on Social Workers to visit to see if his son was ok because he was so worried about Mary as she was unfit to be a mother. By now Mary had realised that something was badly wrong with her son. He was blind, and was also autistic. The "father" suddenly lost all interest, and he has not been seen since. That was 4 years ago.

I have to say this. That until I joined P.ie I never realised there were so many women hating, cruel, unfeeling bastards out there. I despise you. You make me want to vomit.

The ones who will suffer from all this will be, as usual, the children. And the women. But you like that, don't you?

When I split up from my husband I never got maintenance from him, but I never stopped him from seeing the kids. When I returned to Ireland he cut them out of his life without a thought. Now, because he is very proud of our children, as they are all college graduates and are doing well in life he is making amends, but it is 30 years too late He introduced himself to my/our grandsons when I invited him to stay for a few days after Christmas. which he agreed to. He turned up with his "girlfriend", which was most peculiar, and horrified my children. But he is ill now and wants his family around him. They do not want him, but I insist they keep in touch. He is very sad now,

But money seems to mean more than their love of their children when they are young.

+1

Brilliant post Lazarus.

I know somebody that is in a very similar situation as your daughters friend and as far as your own children's situation goes,you could be very well describing what happened to me and my siblings growing up.

Some of the snobbier posters on this forum would be doing well for themselves if they pulled their heads out of their arses and experienced life,instead of been so opinionated about things they quite clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

[odie1kanobe]

Sperm donors in Ireland come from overseas, generally Germany and Denmark.

Sperm donors are often used when the marital father may be infertile and if both he and the biological father agree to annonymity, then where is the problem?

Also nobody accepting sperm donations is under any illusion that the biological father of the child will contribute to the child's upbringing.

Sounds like you just want to run someone else's life.

My definition of sperm donor in this case is the P**** who donates it with consent of woman and then does a runner when she is expecting and they both wish the state to pay while accepting no responsibilty for their own actions.

[Congalltee]

How can it be unfair. It takes two to make a baby. It is indeed remarkable that you think that there can be any reason why a father should not contribute, within his means, to the upbringing of his child,

But the woman can use the pill, take the morning after pill or travel to England for a termination. The man has no such choices - why should he pay for a ride for the rest of his life because his once off sexual partner wants to jump the housing list? (25% or 14,000 people on the housing waiting lists are single parents).

The state encourages 1 in 3 births outside of the security wedlock through appliction of Socialist/feminist dogma. If any parent cannot afford to have a child there are plenty of foster families, childless married couples and same-sex couples willing to help bring up the child in an environment outside of the cradle to grave social welfare dependence.

[richie268]

Says the socialist. Only in Left wing La La Land could it be conceived of a man spending a lifetime paying maintenance to child that theoretically he could be stopped from even seeing. Even a child could see the unfairness though it seems a socialist can't
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The issue of access and maintenance should never be equated because no matter what when this is allowed to happen it is the child that suffers.
On a different note, What do posters reckon a weekly maintenance payment for 1 child should be?

[hopi watcher]

But the woman can use the pill, take the morning after pill or travel to England for a termination. The man has no such choices - why should he pay for a ride for the rest of his life because his once off sexual partner wants to jump the housing list? (25% or 14,000 people on the housing waiting lists are single parents).

The state encourages 1 in 3 births outside of the security wedlock through appliction of Socialist/feminist dogma. If any parent cannot afford to have a child there are plenty of foster families, childless married couples and same-sex couples willing to help bring up the child in an environment outside of the cradle to grave social welfare dependence.

How wonderfully warm hearted of you, If the mother refuses to abort her child we can take it away when born. And no doubt your plan for healthcare provision is equally cunning, if of a certain age and you fall ill, a tap on the head to finish the job.

[Electro]

Maybe they can but why should they, if people have chosen to raise a child on their own, they should not be asking the taxpayer to subsidise them.

If the mother isn't willing to provide the (sperm donor) father with any real concrete rights, she shouldn't make financial demands of him.

Also in case you are not aware the state (i.e. the taxpayer) already subsidises families in the form of child benefit etc. Do you oppose this also?

What I am suggesting is only a minor modification to that system.

[Supermanpolitician]

I assume you are asking me that question. The scenario you outline is so unusual as to not warrant addressing in the context of this thread. No law could force a mother to accept money she did not want.

Ahem...odie1kanobe's OP is about sperm donors.

So are you suggesting about forcing dad's topay up when they have children as a result of a consenual relationship? od1k's thread is about sperm donors.

Apologies for crossed wires, but od1k was on about spermdonors.

[odie1kanobe]

Ahem...odie1kanobe's OP is about sperm donors.

So are you suggesting about forcing dad's topay up when they have children as a result of a consenual relationship? od1k's thread is about sperm donors.

Apologies for crossed wires, but od1k was on about spermdonors.

My definition of sperm donors is the consensual relationship one not the medical one. Guy is being a sperm donor and pretty much little else. Some of the females are for want of a better expression acting as Sperm banks for the locality.

[Congalltee]

Ahem...odie1kanobe's OP is about sperm donors.

So are you suggesting about forcing dad's topay up when they have children as a result of a consenual relationship? od1k's thread is about sperm donors.

Apologies for crossed wires, but od1k was on about spermdonors.

i love Fine Gaelers. They can get so high and mighty even when they royally miss the point.

Back to thread topic. Perhaps the State should subsidize abortions in England - or allow them here on the medical card. Or If the man/spermdoner is willing to pay for it he should be relieved from maintenance. If the State foolishly pays, its citizens can hardly complain.