Time for Biological father to pay the bill

[Clanrickard]

I see now why you resort to pictures!!!

Says the socialist. Only in Left wing La La Land could it be conceived of a man spending a lifetime paying maintenance to child that theoretically he could be stopped from even seeing. Even a child could see the unfairness though it seems a socialist can't.

[Keith-M]

If the state has €54 billion for the banks, surely it is able to fund child support exclusively in the case of single mothers/sperm donors.

Maybe they can but why should they, if people have chosen to raise a child on their own, they should not be asking the taxpayer to subsidise them.

Let's suggest that child financial support ("child support" is actually a bit of a misnomer) in these circumstances becomes a state service, just as education, health, policing are. Within a matter of time it simply becomes an accepted expense item; no big deal. There's nothing unreasonable or illogical about it.

Because the state is giving preference to some children over others. That is clearly unjust.

[hopi watcher]

Says the socialist. Only in Left wing La La Land could it be conceived of a man spending a lifetime paying maintenance to child that theoretically he could be stopped from even seeing. Even a child could see the unfairness though it seems a socialist can't.

More waffle. Whether a parent sees a child or not does not relieve that parent of responsibilty towards that child. Go back to the photos, they actually made more sense.

[Lazarus]

In the majority of cases women are left to cope with the child on their own for whatever reason. Should a "father" not be found, what do the women haters propose? That the child starve, go without clothing, live on the side of the road? What? Or would you like a mother of one child to be sterilised?

What about the "moral" women, who marry? I'm not talking about "the sluts" as you rotten lot refer to these mothers. What happens when the married father disappears, leaves the country, and does not pay maintenance? Well? And this happens all the time, as I know from my last job..

But hey, lets not worry about these mothers and more importantly, their children. Let us judge them and as you lousy shower always do, find them wanting.

Tell me, what is it like being as perfect as you? It must be very hard for you to live in this imperfect world where people are not like you, do not agree with you, and frankly despise you. I wonder why that is?

A friend of my daughter, lets call her Mary, had a baby boy. The Husband moved out to be with another woman. He demanded his rights as a father to see his child. No problem, said Mary. you can see our son anytime you wish. After a year he went to Social Services and told them that Mary was not a fit mother and he filed for custody. It was not awarded to him. The court appearances continued as he kept the pressure up. Calling on Social Workers to visit to see if his son was ok because he was so worried about Mary as she was unfit to be a mother. By now Mary had realised that something was badly wrong with her son. He was blind, and was also autistic. The "father" suddenly lost all interest, and he has not been seen since. That was 4 years ago.

I have to say this. That until I joined P.ie I never realised there were so many women hating, cruel, unfeeling bastards out there. I despise you. You make me want to vomit.

The ones who will suffer from all this will be, as usual, the children. And the women. But you like that, don't you?

When I split up from my husband I never got maintenance from him, but I never stopped him from seeing the kids. When I returned to Ireland he cut them out of his life without a thought. Now, because he is very proud of our children, as they are all college graduates and are doing well in life he is making amends, but it is 30 years too late He introduced himself to my/our grandsons when I invited him to stay for a few days after Christmas. which he agreed to. He turned up with his "girlfriend", which was most peculiar, and horrified my children. But he is ill now and wants his family around him. They do not want him, but I insist they keep in touch. He is very sad now,

But money seems to mean more than their love of their children when they are young.

[Clanrickard]

More waffle. Whether a parent sees a child or not does not relieve that parent of responsibilty towards that child. Go back to the photos, they actually made more sense.

So the fact that a father who is not married to the mother of his child has no constitutional right to his child yet should be forced to pay for the child doesn't strike you as unfair? You demand responsibility but no rights. Well I suppose feminists and lefties are cut from the same irrational cloth.

[Supermanpolitician]

The state is being required again and again to provide the income for sperm donors offspring, they put it in and run and hide when the consequences become known leaving someone else to pick up the bill.

Should the state now be very clear in stating that No Benefits will be paid for any child until such time as actual father is stated including genetic test where required and make male concerned responsible for the upkeep of his offspring.

You put it in then be prepared to pay the lifelong bills.

Sperm donors in Ireland come from overseas, generally Germany and Denmark.

Sperm donors are often used when the marital father may be infertile and if both he and the biological father agree to annonymity, then where is the problem?

Also nobody accepting sperm donations is under any illusion that the biological father of the child will contribute to the child's upbringing.

Sounds like you just want to run someone else's life.

[hopi watcher]

So the fact that a father who is not married to the mother of his child has no constitutional right to his child yet should be forced to pay for the child doesn't strike you as unfair? You demand responsibility but no rights. Well I suppose feminists and lefties are cut from the same irrational cloth.

How can it be unfair. It takes two to make a baby. It is indeed remarkable that you think that there can be any reason why a father should not contribute, within his means, to the upbringing of his child,

[Clanrickard]

How can it be unfair. It takes two to make a baby. It is indeed remarkable that you think that there can be any reason why a father should not contribute, within his means, to the upbringing of his child,

Even if he has very limited access to his child? Or even if the mother can stop him from seeing the child?

[Supermanpolitician]

If a single woman wants to bring up a child, on her own, is not in a relationship, and doesn't want or need financial assistance from the sperm donor, who donated sperm on the condition that he remain annonymous...then are you saying that both biological parents must do as you say even though both have agreed a way to do things?

[hopi watcher]

Even if he has very limited access to his child? Or even if the mother can stop him from seeing the child?

Of course, the child still requires upbringing.