Limerick Mayor calls for deportation of EU nationals

[SilverLining]

Also ideologically - the Blueshirts were of a corporatist ideology more derived from Mussolini's Italy and Catholic France and interwar Greece .............immigration and immigrants were never an issue for the Blueshirts ........ there is no xenophobia or sectarianism anywhere on it - plenty of religious anti-communist nonsense in them alright - but nothing to do with xenphobia or racism............

By all means bring up the Blueshirts to illustrate current day events - be at least know what you are talking about when you do so

OK, historically there may be no comparison, but some fundamentals still exist from FG's origins. For example, "religious anti-communist" may equate to favouring the establishment over the people.

If FG do have a BNP-style faction within, this needs to be exposed for people to realise yet another reason why Fine Gael should never be part of a government.


FG's "values" sound innocent enough when put down on paper, but yet they favour big business, are against taxing the wealthy, are very pro military, anti wokers, anti trade union and favour a conservative view of things.

Our Values
Fine Gael is a party of the progressive centre.

That means we act in a way that is right for Ireland, regardless of dogma or ideology. Fine Gael bases its policies and its ideas for the future of Ireland on its core beliefs.

Equality of opportunity

Fine Gael wants to create a fair and caring society where everybody is engaged in democracy, and where there are no barriers to equal opportunity. Fine Gael stands for investment in our public services and sees health and education as rights, not privileges.

Enterprise and Reward

Fine Gael encourages initiative, innovation, investment and self-reliance. The Party also believes in preserving, enhancing and sharing prosperity. Fine Gael stands for a vibrant, competitive economy. To that end, we believe Government policy should encourage initiative and reward hard work, thus driving economic activity and creating jobs.

Security

Fine Gael wants to build a safe society in Ireland by protecting citizens and enforcing the law. The Party also believes in strengthening families, in all their modern forms, and in fostering communities. Fine Gael stands for law and order. We believe in tough sentences for criminals and more Gardai on the beat while also tackling the root causes of crime like poverty and educational disadvantage.

Integrity

Fine Gael believes in being truthful and courageous in what we do, and in promoting and upholding both the rights and the responsibilities of people. Fine Gael stands for integrity in public life. We believe in ensuring all of us live up to our responsibilities as well as enjoying our rights as Irish men and women.

Hope

Fine Gael wants to build an Ireland of excellence and ambition. We hope to do this by promoting a shared vision of a confident and sustainable future for Ireland, both at home and abroad. Fine Gael stands for a climate of hope. To achieve this, we believe in enhancing Ireland's international reputation through our support for the European Union, protecting communities through balanced regional development and safeguarding our children's future through protection of the environment.

If Fine Gael are genuine then they need to distance themselves from the ultra nationalist faction.

[KingKane]

Prsi refunds- Nothing do with it. Are you trying to divert the real issue?

If they have been working and paid PRSI then they are only claiming what they are entitled to. To be honest the more I read this, the more is sounds like someone ranting about something that doesn't exist. Who are these folks that are here but claiming benefit despite not having worked here previously?

[KingKane]

So can all Irish passport holders abroad who are unemployed return to Ireland and claim benefit here ? If somebody has worked and paid tax they are entitled to claim benefits.

Does FG have a BNP-style faction within ? This needs to be exposed for people to realise yet another reason why Fine Gael should never be part of a government.

FG does not have a BNP faction but it is prone as are all parties in Ireland to the occasional presence of eejits who can't tell their arse from their elbows.

[Cellach]

FG's "values" sound innocent enough when put down on paper, but yet they favour big business, are against taxing the wealthy, are very pro military, anti wokers, anti trade union and favour a conservative view of things.

Quote:
Our Values
Fine Gael is a party of the progressive centre.

That means we act in a way that is right for Ireland, regardless of dogma or ideology. Fine Gael bases its policies and its ideas for the future of Ireland on its core beliefs.

Equality of opportunity

Fine Gael wants to create a fair and caring society where everybody is engaged in democracy, and where there are no barriers to equal opportunity. Fine Gael stands for investment in our public services and sees health and education as rights, not privileges.

Enterprise and Reward

Fine Gael encourages initiative, innovation, investment and self-reliance. The Party also believes in preserving, enhancing and sharing prosperity. Fine Gael stands for a vibrant, competitive economy. To that end, we believe Government policy should encourage initiative and reward hard work, thus driving economic activity and creating jobs.

Security

Fine Gael wants to build a safe society in Ireland by protecting citizens and enforcing the law. The Party also believes in strengthening families, in all their modern forms, and in fostering communities. Fine Gael stands for law and order. We believe in tough sentences for criminals and more Gardai on the beat while also tackling the root causes of crime like poverty and educational disadvantage.

Integrity

Fine Gael believes in being truthful and courageous in what we do, and in promoting and upholding both the rights and the responsibilities of people. Fine Gael stands for integrity in public life. We believe in ensuring all of us live up to our responsibilities as well as enjoying our rights as Irish men and women.

Hope

Fine Gael wants to build an Ireland of excellence and ambition. We hope to do this by promoting a shared vision of a confident and sustainable future for Ireland, both at home and abroad. Fine Gael stands for a climate of hope. To achieve this, we believe in enhancing Ireland's international reputation through our support for the European Union, protecting communities through balanced regional development and safeguarding our children's future through protection of the environment.


If Fine Gael are genuine then they need to distance themselves from the ultra nationalist faction.

Congratulations, you've proved the theory that Fine Gael, the law and order party, are interested in the pursuit of policies for the maintenance of law and order. Hardly ultra nationalist.

[munichgirl]

CELLACH 'Instances of foreign nationals defrauding social welfare should be investigated and the punishment should include the option of deportation should the subject of the investigation be found guilty. '

Yes Cellach, but how much will such an investigation cost. Someone would have to be employed to organise what you are suggesting. Someone who would no doubt get a decent salary, have some staff on board to help them do this job. It would be a time consuming effort taking at least 12 months to put in place and expensive. Do you really think that is such a good idea?

[Cellach]

CELLACH 'Instances of foreign nationals defrauding social welfare should be investigated and the punishment should include the option of deportation should the subject of the investigation be found guilty. '

Yes Cellach, but how much will such an investigation cost. Someone would have to be employed to organise what you are suggesting. Someone who would no doubt get a decent salary, have some staff on board to help them do this job. It would be a time consuming effort taking at least 12 months to put in place and expensive. Do you really think that is such a good idea?

Yeah definitely. I'm in favour of crimes being investigated. It keeps the crime rate down.

[Disabled student]

i live abroad now, but i left because it was a no hope situation in the early 90s. Ireland has changed massively. A lot of people did really well in the last 10 or 15 years. Sadly, we now know that the boom had a very fragile base and the govt crested on a wave of easy credit for years and did not put a safety net in place for the crisis the country is now enduring. People will now cast around for something and someone to blame for what has happened. It is important that we don't make a scapegoat of foreign nationals that moved here in good times and contributed to the country. The problems are much bigger than foreigners on the dole. The officials and govt who created the dole system and their slack way of controlling it are to blame. If i was Polish or another foreign national living there and suddenly found myself unemployed, I would stick around for the better money in Ireland too. What incentive would I have to go home if i got more there. We are all only human in our responses and need to survive. Plenty of irish were on the dole in england over the years. Plenty of people left school or uni and headed to england and signed on. I think it is easy to blame those who don't have such a big voice. The dole system is another example of wastefulness and bad managment by this govt. Blame the officials not the foreigners.

+1

[munichgirl]

who isn't in favour of keeping crime rates down. but I think the way to go about the problem is to put legislation in place cleaning up the entire system to make it more difficult for people who shouldn't be getting welfare, not to get it and to avoid future occurences. That and proper management and organisation. From what I know, it is only recently that official ID like a passport has been used when signing on at dole offices. Hard to believe in the 21st century that this is the case. A friend has to sign on every week for her dole. A friend of hers only has to show up once a month. Someone else, has theirs transferred into their account. If the officials can't even get some consistency into how payments are made, then controlling frauds must be completely beyond them.

[louis bernard]

It’s a terrible shame that we are loosing a lot of beautiful eastern European girls. They (for the most part) look terrific and the more of them that stay, intermarry and enhance our gene pool the better.

[Captain Sensible]

Kiely is an embarrassment . It is a sad reflection on Irish politics that I, a barely educated chancer can come on here and state categorically that Mayor Kiely dosnt understand some basic concepts re the EU. Only a month ago Kiely and his ilk were telling us all to vote yes to Lisbon , a treaty that among other things gave equal rights to all EU citizens . So I take it Mr Kiely was unaware of this ?

In other news in Limerick , Mayor Kiely has been condemned for making personal attacks on a pensioner who complained that clocks in the city had not been adjusted for the end of summertime ."Do they have nothing better to do " said the mayor of the people he alledgedly represents. "They must all be unemployed " Insinuating that the unemployed should keep their mouths shut .The man is unfit to lead this city through challenging times ahead.