Limerick Mayor calls for deportation of EU nationals

[fionnmccool]

There is a point somewhere about what happens if any EU state is overwhelmed with immigrants from the EU claiming social welfare (ok they're entitled to be here as much as we are entitled to live in Germany etc ) and cant afford to pay them all ? Perhaps social welfare should be paid to EU nationals from a central EU fund or from the country of their nationality and administered by the resident country ? Of course I wonder if this would be to our disadvantage and can see some disadvantages and impracticalities to this approach but it could eliminate a perceived justification for begrudgery towards migrants in all of the EU states.

[Disabled student]

There is a point somewhere about what happens if any EU state is overwhelmed with immigrants from the EU claiming social welfare (ok they're entitled to be here as much as we are entitled to live in Germany etc ) and cant afford to pay them all ? Perhaps social welfare should be paid to EU nationals from a central EU fund or from the country of their nationality and administered by the resident country ? Of course I wonder if this would be to our disadvantage and can see some disadvantages and impracticalities to this approach but it could eliminate a perceived justification for begrudgery towards migrants in all of the EU states.

+1

[gnasher]

It's 'controversial' because the PC-media decided to make it so. The cheap-labour brigade control much of the private-media, and the last thing they want is a real, wideranging debate on immigration.

I'm intrigued. Who, very specifically, are you talking about? Name and shame.

Alternatively, you could admit you've given up on proper analysis and are just talking in half-baked paranoid soundbites.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I'm intrigued. Who, very specifically, are you talking about? Name and shame.

Alternatively, you could admit you've given up on proper analysis and are just talking in half-baked paranoid soundbites.

Ir's not just the cheap-labour brigade. It's also barristers for whom the asylum-system is a goldmine, and also greedy landlords. Residential interests have bought up advertising in the press, which has an incentive to oppose deportations in order to keep the money flowing. This litigious country is not one in which to name names - regardless of how true the allegations. I will state however that in Village Magazine in 2006, there was a frontpage story about a certain Independent journalist moved off the Irish Ferries story. The allegation was made that cross-ownership between Irish Continental Group and a INM was a factor.

Now I know you will say that the Independent has been anti-PC with respect to some of its writers. But what about the others in INM, like The Star? The Star opposed the Citizenship Referendum and is very PC on asylum and immigration. So I stand over my thesis in broad terms, even if I accept that since then, the Indo has moved away from PC somewhat.

[gnasher]

Ir's not just the cheap-labour brigade. It's also barristers for whom the asylum-system is a goldmine, and also greedy landlords. Residential interests have bought up advertising in the press, which has an incentive to oppose deportations in order to keep the money flowing. This litigious country is not one in which to name names - regardless of how true the allegations. I will state however that in Village Magazine in 2006, there was a frontpage story about a certain Independent journalist moved off the Irish Ferries story. The allegation was made that cross-ownership between Irish Continental Group and a INM was a factor.

So the non-PC Irish and Sunday Independents are owned by the same media-contolling, cheap-labour brigade that you're currently complaining about. Have you thought this stuff through AT ALL, FT. A casual observer might think that you're making it up as you go along, impervious to logic and capable of believing anything for the sake of short-term expediency.

[FutureTaoiseach]

So the non-PC Irish and Sunday Independents are owned by the same media-contolling, cheap-labour brigade that you're currently complaining about. Have you thought this stuff through AT ALL, FT. A casual observer might think that you're making it up as you go along, impervious to logic and capable of believing anything for the sake of short-term expediency.

On the contrary I have provided evidence to back up my contentions.

[gnasher]

On the contrary I have provided evidence to back up my contentions.

I missed where you specifically named the cheap-labour media-owning elites who fomented contoversy on this issue and who are supressing open debate about immigration in this country.

You did mention Independent News and Media but, seeing as they publish Kevin Myers, Ian O'Doherty and others,while also publishing the oh-so-PC Tribune, it seems to me that they're perfectly happy to represent all sides of the debate.

Your difficulty, if I may say, is that you see things in black and white, when in fact life tends to be a lot more nuanced. The Independent can't simultaneously be PC debate-supressing goons AND non-PC straight-talking champions of free speech. That is where the logic of your thinking has led you. I can unmderstand your confusion.

But anyway, who are you talking about specifically? Stop your whinging and prevaricating and start getting real.

[Catalpa]

The Habitual Residency Conditions mainly take residency into account, hence the name.

Anybody who hasn't been living in the Common Travel Area for long enough doesn't qualify for Irish social welfare benefits.

If you swallow that you would swallow a brick!

[marmurr1916]

you're making it up as you go along, impervious to logic and capable of believing anything for the sake of short-term expediency.

FT in a nutshell.

[marmurr1916]

If you swallow that you would swallow a brick!

You've got proof to the contrary?