Limerick Mayor calls for deportation of EU nationals

[williewatch]

Experience across Europe shows that Political-Correctness actually leads to the rise of the Far Right by preventing myths being disproven and genuine concerns being addressed.

Total and utter nonsense. Have you already forgotten about the genocide in the Balkans? Perhaps you are too young to remember. This would account for the lack of depth and perspective in your postings. You might consider studying history when you are old enough for college, but perhaps you could persuade you parents to allow you join your local library while you are waiting.

[DaBrow]

Total and utter nonsense. Have you already forgotten about the genocide in the Balkans? Perhaps you are too young to remember. This would account for the lack of depth and perspective in your postings. You might consider studying history when you are old enough for college, but perhaps you could persuade you parents to allow you join your local library while you are waiting.

The Genocide in the Balkans occured for two reasons.....

It was too diverse and the cultural/linguistic/ethnic differences between the peoples were significant, they also had long rivalries which meant they didn't trust each other and did not associate which each other.

Yugoslavia only functioned as a diverse multi-ethnic and multicultural state because Tito ruled it with an Iron Fist; he knew that Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats, Slovenes, Macedons, Montenegrans all hated one another and it dated back centuries but he wasn't going to let them tear the United Slavic Dream Apart. Amazingly, 12 years after he died the place disintegrated into hell which left many innocent people on all sides dead.

So if you want Multiculturalism..... be prepared for the consequences, Yugoslavia is a perfect example of what will happen.


Amazingly most PC Liberals are just like Tito in attitude today; the writings on the wall but it is ignored to protect their shallow pride in admitting they are wrong.

[BlackWatch]

Why can't immigrants just give up their lanq,and culture when they immigrate to other country? It can't be that hard.

[marmurr1916]

Turns out, purely from a public finances point of view, workers from Eastern Europe have been good for the Exchequer.
A Modest Proposal For Preventing the Foreign People in Ireland from Being a Burden to the Country | Ronan Lyons

Some quotes:
1. The number of new-EU workers signing on is tiny compared with the total numbers signing on. An average of 43,000 people from the new EU member states signed on during the third quarter of the year, compared to 350,000+ Irish signing on. Also, the problem looks to have turned a corner with the numbers signing-on falling every month since April.
2. For every single unemployed Eastern European in Ireland, there are four times as many still working...The total number of new-EU, employed and unemployed, has fallen steadily every quarter since late 2007, and by 30,000 in total.
3. These people are currently "costing" the Exchequer about €32m a month in unemployment benefits. Meanwhile, they're bringing in, through PRSI and income tax, somewhere in the region €75m a month... Summing up over the past 12 months, their contribution to the Exchequer has been about €1bn, while the Government has had to pay out about €350m.

Graph on that link too about the scale of the issue.
Favourite bit has to be the Mayor Quimby quote at the start though.

Facts! Facts have no place here!

Don't you know that the despotism of fact is thoroughly un-Irish?

Here's a summary from Ronan Lyons:

Even looking crudely at just the Exchquer implications, though, the plain facts...speak for themselves: €350m out, €1,000m in, and that’s at the height of our recession.

[williewatch]

So if you want Multiculturalism..... be prepared for the consequences, Yugoslavia is a perfect example of what will happen.
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Ok, now we are down to the real subtext of this debate.

It really seems to have little to do with the issue of Kevin Kiely's comments and is really about people's view of Ireland going forward. Those who see us as a multicultured country and those who do not. I presume to include you in the latter group, going by your signature.

Its best to get this debate out in the open. Mayor Kiely's comments are a different issue altogether.

[kerrynorth]

These people are currently "costing" the Exchequer about €32m a month in unemployment benefits. Meanwhile, they're bringing in, through PRSI and income tax, somewhere in the region €75m a month... Summing up over the past 12 months, their contribution to the Exchequer has been about €1bn, while the Government has had to pay out about €350m.

How about you give the full facts. Add in the cost of child benefit, housing allowances, medical card etc etc. Plus an economist would view that the East Europeans employed could easily be replaced by Irish people on the dole so you would have to add in the equivalent opportunity cost of paying the dole to the same number of Irish as there is no labour shortage. Add all those together and East European 'workers' are costing the State a tidy sum.

[KingKane]

How about you give the full facts. Add in the cost of child benefit, housing allowances, medical card etc etc. Plus an economist would view that the East Europeans employed could easily be replaced by Irish people on the dole so you would have to add in the equivalent opportunity cost of paying the dole to the same number of Irish as there is no labour shortage. Add all those together and East European 'workers' are costing the State a tidy sum.

If that were the case then how come the Irish on the dole 5 years ago didn't take up those jobs?

[KingKane]

If you were listening to Kerry Today this morning and the lunchtime programme a couple of days ago you will have heard that the 'blueshirts' are the one's in tune with public opinion. Note the absence of any moves against him by the party hierarchy - they know where public opinion lays on this matter and are not going to show themselves to be hopelessly out of step with it by expelling him.

Enda Kenny said yesterday that he would deal with this when he is down in Limerick on Monday and then we have a retraction from Kevin Kiely. Sounds to me like something was said to soften his cough.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Total and utter nonsense. Have you already forgotten about the genocide in the Balkans? Perhaps you are too young to remember. This would account for the lack of depth and perspective in your postings. You might consider studying history when you are old enough for college, but perhaps you could persuade you parents to allow you join your local library while you are waiting.

I am in my late 20's so yes I do remember it. In fact, it proves my point. Multiculturalism is not workable, and such a policy leads to the rise of racism, to the detriment of all the ethnic-groups concerned. I support tolerance but not sweeping things under the carpet via Political-Correctness. Debate and dissent is the oil that keeps the wheels of democracy turning.

You seem to have learned the wrong lessons from Yugoslavia. I hope I have broadened your horizons somewhat.

[kerrynorth]

If that were the case then how come the Irish on the dole 5 years ago didn't take up those jobs?

The dole has now more than doubled.