Surely it's time that some high earners are taxed the same as those on much less pay?

[mutley]

nobody should have half THEIR money taken from them and given away to those less successful.

People should pay their own way and stop thinking life is a charity - earn your keep!

Well you were saying on another thread that your mortgage is only 8% of your net pay,

Shouldn't the tax system be a bit fairer - in order that those on an industrial wage, can service their mortgage at 8% of net pay too?

[Gnome Chomsky]

I don't own a car because I CHOSE not to, likewise a minimum wage worker CHOSE to raise a child. Why am I financially responsible to raise their child, that child has no more to do with me than a poor mexican baby which I am not expected to pay for.

And the child should be left to suffer because his parents made a bad decision when they chose to have him?
Don't exaggerate either. You're not raising or being asked to raise anyone's child.
And the only reason I would have for you not paying for (well, paying a share at any rate) other children all over the world is that there is no organisation that could enforce such a measure the way a government can enforce it for us.

money doesn't get results

What world do you live in? Of course money gets results.

[Kevin Doyle]

I don't believe in starving them to death. I believe in getting them to do something, anything, to earn their welfare for the welfare to be the bare minimum, pure subsistence, no fags, booze, magazines, new clothes etc

F*ck me. Grinding destitution, what you have described is total impoverishment, depriving even of the will to live.

That’s libertarianism you're talking about and under such society essentially breaks down and any comforts you have will most likely be taken away from you forcibly by the very people you wish to impoverish further least we turn the country into a police state and revoke a whole raft of civil liberties to keep the poor in their place. Like I said a return to feudalism.

Mad max stuff.

[mutley]

And the child should be left to suffer because his parents made a bad decision when they chose to have him?
Don't exaggerate either. You're not raising or being asked to raise anyone's child.
And the only reason I would have for you not paying for (well, paying a share at any rate) other children all over the world is that there is no organisation that could enforce such a measure the way a government can enforce it for us.



What world do you live in? Of course money gets results.

And this bloke is entitled to Child benefit in the same way as somone much less well of is, bet he's not sniffing at that if he has kids

[toughbutfair]

Well you were saying on another thread that your mortgage is only 8% of your net pay,

Shouldn't the tax system be a bit fairer - in order that those on an industrial wage, can service their mortgage at 8% of net pay too?

So my argument would hold up better if I bought a bigger, flasher home or failed to make the correct decision regarding what type of mortgage to get? mine is just interest only too so 8% would prob be about 12% if repaying debt.

People who stretched themselves on their morgage did so in the belief they'd make the most money in a rising market by doing so, their risk - their pain.

where do you think house prices come from? the people provide the demand side of the equation and the average earners decide how much an average house costs, if they hadn't borrowed as much as they were offerred, they wouldnt' be in as much debt.

[toughbutfair]

And the child should be left to suffer because his parents made a bad decision when they chose to have him?
Don't exaggerate either. You're not raising or being asked to raise anyone's child.
And the only reason I would have for you not paying for (well, paying a share at any rate) other children all over the world is that there is no organisation that could enforce such a measure the way a government can enforce it for us.



What world do you live in? Of course money gets results.

In theory - you'd have us paying to raise all the african babies?

as for the money issue - why wasn't everybody talking about the greatly improving health sevice we have as we threw money at it?

[toughbutfair]

And this bloke is entitled to Child benefit in the same way as somone much less well of is, bet he's not sniffing at that if he has kids

there should be no child benefit - your baby , your responsibility.

[toughbutfair]

F*ck me. Grinding destitution, what you have described is total impoverishment, depriving even of the will to live.

That’s libertarianism you're talking about and under such society essentially breaks down and any comforts you have will most likely be taken away from you forcibly by the very people you wish to impoverish further least we turn the country into a police state and revoke a whole raft of civil liberties to keep the poor in their place. Like I said a return to feudalism.

Mad max stuff.

In my scenario, there would have been nobody unemployed in the boom, people would have saved their money (very low tax) as there is no safety net, when a recession comes they'd have their savings. It is all about taking control of your life.

[Kevin Doyle]

People who stretched themselves on their morgage did so in the belief they'd make the most money in a rising market by doing so, their risk - their pain..

No they did so because house prices shot through the roof and they had to stretch themsleves just to buy a home.

where do you think house prices come from? the people provide the demand side of the equation and the average earners decide how much an average house costs, if they hadn't borrowed as much as they were offerred, they wouldnt' be in as much debt.

My God. You clearly have no idea how a bubble is started and what sustains it before it goes bust.

[Kevin Doyle]

In my scenario, there would have been nobody unemployed in the boom, people would have saved their money (very low tax) as their is no safety net, when a recession comes they'd have their savings. It is all about taking control of your life.

Again, that is a liberatrian outlook and simply does not mean anything in the real world. You can not take control of your life if you are unemployed.