Franky Fahy and Dan Boyle egged at last night's Leviathan

[Digout]

throwing eggs is patriotic?

At the people who are wrecking our country, yes.

FF have done more damage to this country than the brits ever did.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

The lady wittering on about the gold standard was a joke, whilst the US clearly has long term economic problems (horrendous debt and an imperiled currency) .... : her timeline of 1 year for its collapse was fanciful in the extreme

She happily admitted that she'd left school at 14 and it certainly showed, her contribution was barmy and way off topic

Some people's opinions depend on their opinions... not facts

No one so far has pointed out actual comments of Boyle's that were weak, the only one that I can recall was his claiming not to know exactly who authored the Nama business plan.

The claims being made here are

1) That Boyle is wrong : that is a valid opinion as the issue is complex
2) That he is incompetent: that is nonsense as no one has given objective facts to support this

cYp

The woman was spot on you fool. Are you aware of the rapidly decreasing 589 Trillion US Dollar Derivative timebomb? Whats going soak up all them digits on screens flowing around the world. Do you realise the entire global financial system is on the verge of collapse?

Fair play to her to stand up and speak the truth in the face of blatant ignorance. I talked to David McWilliams afterwards about her and he said she had a very good point.
Wake up.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

[quote=Fish;2237357][quote]

Well cyb the larger majority of the people in Cork South Central recognise Boyle as clueless, which was clearly demonstrated by the fact that he failed to get elected in the last GE. I can't comment on the proported confusion that you are ascribing to enough_is_enough's comments at Leviathan as I wasn't there but what I can say is that your well demonstrated bias and bad manners against everyone and everything who/that is against NAMA is without question.

I have had dealings with DB in the past at a time when I had no set opinion one way or the other on him or his abilities or indeed lack of, and can wholeheartedly say based on his demonstrated actions at the time, that he is a useless power hungry gimp. His time in the Seanad (which was an insult to the electorite BTW) and as GP spokesperson on economics has reinforced that view to many others. The fact that others here have given an account that he was smirking throughout the debate last night is no surprise to anyone who actually has had any dealings with him.

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Yeah I'm sure he did but then again Danny boy has a well known propensity for talking bollox and just like the rest of the government incumbents would say just about anything to defend and get NAMA through. As the saying goes talk is cheap and in DB you have the epitome of it's cheap to talk. Still doesn't take away from the fact that NAMA in it's present guise is a scam nor that you have something to gain from it's implementation/something to loose if its not.

A'h cyb there you go again with the insults and yet you appear to think that you yourself are above reproach in drowning said debates. You are a class-A narcissist and clearly a vested interest who has no interest in any debate, so spare us the thinly veiled swipes dressed up as insincere platitudes. Now off with you on one of your spelling and grammar crusades....

Well said Fish. You should have went. It was therapy and a boost for confidence to go out in public and stand up a soapbox and proclaim the truth without being bullied anymore. Spread the word.

[Fish]

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Would it surprise you to learn he wasn't smirking throughout the night? He wasn't.

If you hadn't went off espousing the great qualities of DB in the remainder of your post I might have been inclined to give you the benefit of doubt. Tell you what I'll be fair with you and wait to see for myself if the debate is posted on the leviathan website.

Irrespective of whether he did or did not smirk throughout the debate still doesn't take away from the fact that he is an electorally rejected useless gimp who doesn't have a mandate other than the one given to him by the cynical, cancerous, cosy cartel that is the body politic in this country.

He'll be in good company post the next election though when the rest of his GP ilk will be politically exterminated.

Can't wait!

[Defcon1]

Im very disappointed when I read this article.In the enlighted and active culture we have today we encourage and nuture our youth.

A bad example was set at this meeting....You missed them.

Shame on you guys.Next time think of the kids and improve your aim

In all seriousness though I am suprise that this type of public demonstration of anger against the government isnt on the increase.
Also whats with the Eggs ?? No Rope on sale.

[NewGoldDream]

As a card carrying member of FF, gotta admit there is something instantly and overwhelmingly detestable about Frank Fahey. I wouldn't have that strong an opinion of Boyle. But Fahey is just so smug and objectionable - I can't really put my finger on why. I have never figured out how a teacher, and someone who hasn't struck me as the cleverest man in the country, ended up with a property empire. Was hopping from one leg to another at CityWest at the last FF Ard Fheis, wondering would I hang around, saw that little head grinning and that made up my mind, went off into Dublin drinking instead.

[Fish]

Peter Mathews has an interesting piece of commentary on the debate last night in his blog. See link below.

For me this piece articulates the underhand way that NAMA is being bludgeoned into the legislature. He also reinforces the perceptions and fears that many of us on the anti NAMA side share, as he alludes to it being driven by "a select privileged" group from behind closed doors. Some of his points include how:

- No public cost/benefit analysis of NAMA versus Pre-privatisation was done

[COLOR=black]- A [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Business Plan[/COLOR][COLOR=black] that arrives hours before a vote, and when [/COLOR][COLOR=black]analysed[/COLOR][COLOR=black] is found to contain clear logical errors and incredibly generous assumptions,[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]- The 11th hour appearance of the [/COLOR][COLOR=black]SPV[/COLOR][COLOR=black] to ‘hide’ the €54bn ECB loan off the National accounts.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]- A systematic campaign of no information or dis-information, spin and soundbite, to shut down any debate, and several convenient distractions and side shows to keep the public’s mind off the issue.[/COLOR]

Leviathan indeed! Banking Expert Peter Mathews on fixing Ireland's Banking Crisis

[kerrynorth]

It's worth pointing out that, although the audience was overwhelmingly anti-NAMA, Frank Fahy and Dan Boyle were courteously applauded, while the egg-thrower was booed.

Wow, an egg was thrown and some people booed - were they just back from the Barnsley v Man U game?

[Sean IPU]

I too was at last nights event, and yes david McWilliams was biased, but then that surely was expected( see My plan to save the country | David McWilliams, yes February 09) by anyone following the gross incompetence being displayed by the current government. I asked Dan Boyle and Frank Fahy did they consider themselves experts to which there was a quick NO ( lest they be blamed later for the inevitable failure), so I then asked WHY ? were they not listening to the advise of experts. I got a very angry defence from Dan Boyle who listed some esteemed names, but then basically went on to say that we then made our own decision ( which is opposite to all expert advise )

On a more serious note :- Riots seem inevitable, I hope I’m wrong though!

I am saddened to say I witnessed one of the first premeditated actions of a likely rebellion which will see riots on the streets. I am further saddened that although I believe it is unnecessary, avoidable & not in our best interests as a nation, it seems inevitable now that it is going to happen.

Please tell me I'm wrong & that you will not sit by & let this happen.

Rise up, certainly, but peacefully & use your voice not your fists, batons or other weapons. Speak face to face, & write to everyone you know especially those charged with running the country & that includes the higher civil servants & board members.

There is a better way, Fianna Fail & the Greens are not the only show in town !
Sean Kearns
Irish Peoples Union Irish People's Union - a voice for people who have no voice

[Sean IPU]

I too was at last nights event, and yes david McWilliams was biased, but then that surely was expected( see My plan to save the country | David McWilliams, yes February 09) by anyone following the gross incompetence being displayed by the current government. I asked Dan Boyle and Frank Fahy did they consider themselves experts to which there was a quick NO ( lest they be blamed later for the inevitable failure), so I then asked WHY ? were they not listening to the advise of experts. I got a very angry defence from Dan Boyle who listed some esteemed names, but then basically went on to say that we then made our own decision ( which is opposite to all expert advise )

On a more serious note :- Riots seem inevitable, I hope I’m wrong though!

I am saddened to say I witnessed one of the first premeditated actions of a likely rebellion which will see riots on the streets. I am further saddened that although I believe it is unnecessary, avoidable & not in our best interests as a nation, it seems inevitable now that it is going to happen.

Please tell me I'm wrong & that you will not sit by & let this happen.

Rise up, certainly, but peacefully & use your voice not your fists, batons or other weapons. Speak face to face, & write to everyone you know especially those charged with running the country & that includes the higher civil servants & board members.

There is a better way, Fianna Fail & the Greens are not the only show in town !
Sean Kearns
Irish People's Union - a voice for people who have no voice