The €22bn hole

[atlantic]

If it works break it's back with progressive taxation,if it lays about cuddle it,kiss it and make it all better with the promise of robbing peter.Hopi really is so nice with other peoples money.

4. If it's making money tax it.

[hopi watcher]

Hopi's solution
1 throw money at it
2 If it doesn't work throw more money at it
3. If you run out of money sure throw more money at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is this childish urge among the PD rump to constantly put words into other people's mouths? Or maybe its just a difficulty with reading basic english.

[hopi watcher]

If it works break it's back with progressive taxation,if it lays about cuddle it,kiss it and make it all better with the promise of robbing peter.Hopi really is so nice with other peoples money.

Funny, that is what I thought Mary Harney is doing with healthcare!!! BTW I don't think you, sparkey and sharper lie around all day, a walk to the fridge now and then at least.

[sparkey321]

More lies. Show where I have advocated a response other than by sharing the burden fairly.
I have repeatedly stated that singling out any one group is wrong and will prove counterproductive.
A proper progressive taxation system is the obvious place to start. But you oppose that because you do not wish to share in carrying the burden, you want to hold what you have.
What you advocate would place the burden on the most vulnerable, a typical greed merchant, or greed merchants ass licker, opinion.

So now Im the liar ???

Lets look at what I actually said.

What you have repeatedly advocated is that under no circumstances should anyone be fired or laid off. It is never the employees fault and always the managers.

I stand over that 100%. Just in case you try to deny it

When a situation arises requiring that an employee must be fired, that is always a management failure. A manager who thinks otherwise is a bad manager.

I think that's pretty definitive.. Don't you ?

Now to the next statement I made

You have also repeatedly advocated that public sector workers terms and conditions should be protected. You have done so for many sectors (especially nurses) and indeed in same cases even called for pay increases.......

There are actually a few quotes I could link here but in the process of digging one out I found one that not only covered this statement but also placed some light on what you consider "equity"

Equity is achieved when employees believe that their pay fairly reflects their contribution. The vast majority of nurses at present do not believe they are fairly rewarded.

So call me a liar now....

[hopi watcher]

I would agree that the taxation system should be more progressive hopi. And I would me in favor of a new third top rate.

But how much do you think we can raise from this?

The key is to get money moving and that is best done by hard redistribution. I would introduce two new rates of 55% and 65% to start with. All windfall income, that is gains from non-productive activity, would be taxed at 75%. Putting money into the hands of those at the lower end of the socio-economic ladder will see that money moved quickly into the economy thereby boosting other activity. We must get the money that is there working and stop the greed merchants hoarding it.
Cutting welfare and putting people on the dole would be disasterous and would place enormous strain on social order. Today, people will not just roll over and accept hardship, while a chosen elite continue go on their merry way.

[hopi watcher]

So now Im the liar ???

Lets look at what I actually said.




I stand over that 100%. Just in case you try to deny it



I think that's pretty definitive.. Don't you ?

Now to the next statement I made



There are actually a few quotes I could link here but in the process of digging one out I found one that not only covered this statement but also placed some light on what you consider "equity"



So call me a liar now....

No, on second thoughts, you are not a liar, because you clearly cannot even recognise a lie when you see one. Read your post again. This has got to be the most rediculous and childish attempt to interpret what I said to suit your silly view.
And once again for the slow learners, in all my posts I advocate fair distribution of the burden rather than placing that on any one group. You on the other hand want to slash PS workers pay, cut welfare while not in any way addressing the appalling unfair taxation system that has come about in the past 12 years.
Heretofore I regarded you as a bit of a joke, with this attempt to manipulate posts, I now think that you are a sinsiter presence here. Either isloated and bitter or the paid lackey of a moneygrubber.

[Dreaded_Estate]

The key is to get money moving and that is best done by hard redistribution. I would introduce two new rates of 55% and 65% to start with. All windfall income, that is gains from non-productive activity, would be taxed at 75%. Putting money into the hands of those at the lower end of the socio-economic ladder will see that money moved quickly into the economy thereby boosting other activity. We must get the money that is there working and stop the greed merchants hoarding it.
Cutting welfare and putting people on the dole would be disasterous and would place enormous strain on social order. Today, people will not just roll over and accept hardship, while a chosen elite continue go on their merry way.

I could live with that.

Why two new rates? The current marginal rate is just below 51% why introduce a rate at 55%?

I not sure what you mean by the 75% windfall tax on unproductive sectors. What are those sectors?

Apart from the windfall tax, which I'm not sure what it is, those measures would raise about €2.5bn.

[hopi watcher]

I could live with that.

Why two new rates? The current marginal rate is just below 51% why introduce a rate at 55%?

I not sure what you mean by the 75% windfall tax on unproductive sectors. What are those sectors?

Apart from the windfall tax, which I'm not sure what it is, those measures would raise about €2.5bn.

The rates would need to be determined following indepth study of the position that optains.
Non-productive relates to all income that derives from an action that simply produces nothing. Such a definition was used for a period in the US. When Elvis Presley started out, all his taxable income attracted a rate of 95%. Another example woould be the case where Tony O'Reilly, shortly after been given the license to explore for gas/oil off the Cork/Kerry coast, sold shares in the holding company to a Texan company for a reported $20 million dollars. That is the type of income that should attract a very high rate of tax. If such a rate had existed during the bubble it would have had a controlling impact on the speculating that went on with land dealing etc

[Jock_the_Waster]

by hopiwatchers insane wealth destruction tax system the 'never worked live off the system animals' would be more 'wealthy' than our Entrepreneurs.

[hopi watcher]

by hopiwatchers insane wealth destruction tax system the 'never worked live off the system animals' would be more 'wealthy' than our Entrepreneurs.

Another moron with reading difficulties, BTW, is it the 'entrepreneurs' who created the mess that you are referring to?