Dublin's first Mayor to be elected next Summer

[QuizMaster]

Richard Bruton's destiny lies elsewhere. He will be the next FG Taoiseach.

[ivnryn]

You mention that the popular non-party candidate will lose out even if the majority want him to win. Surely if the majority want him to win they will vote for him! Your reasoning is against any party loyalty at all. In a single seat constituency, PR-STV turns into a run off election until a candidate gets 50% +1.

That is not necessarily true, it is possible to win without getting a majority, if people don't rank all the candidates. However, granted normally, the winner in the last round would have more than half of the votes cast in the first round.

Would you accept condorcet then? In that each voter ranks the candidates and if a candidate beats all the others 1 vs 1, that candidate is the winner.

Your argument that the majority could just vote for their favourite also applies to first past the post. Strategy means that voters don't always first choice their actual favourite.

In my example, assuming the voters vote honestly, they wouldn't get the candidate who was prefered by the majority to the other 2.

If the majority of voters don't like a candidate they will rally around the main opponent (look at Mary Robinson V Brian Lenihan).

This means that to win you need to prove that you are the main opponent.

[QuizMaster]

That is not necessarily true, it is possible to win without getting a majority, if people don't rank all the candidates. However, granted normally, the winner in the last round would have more than half of the votes cast in the first round.

Would you accept condorcet then? In that each voter ranks the candidates and if a candidate beats all the others 1 vs 1, that candidate is the winner.

Your argument that the majority could just vote for their favourite also applies to first past the post. Strategy means that voters don't always first choice their actual favourite.

In my example, assuming the voters vote honestly, they wouldn't get the candidate who was prefered by the majority to the other 2.



This means that to win you need to prove that you are the main opponent.

It will still be PR, so the voter can vote with their hearts, then their heads.

It's not like first-past-the-post voting, where you have to abandon your true choice in favour of the least worst of the possible winners.

[YoungLiberal]

Richard Bruton's destiny lies elsewhere. He will be the next FG Taoiseach.

I could live with that too. I doubt he will be though. Can't see him wielding a knife anywhere near Kenny, nor would people in FG want it.

[ivnryn]

It will still be PR, so the voter can vote with their hearts, then their heads.

It's not like first-past-the-post voting, where you have to abandon your true choice in favour of the least worst of the possible winners.

However, in the example I gave, by voting honestly, the candidate preferred by a majority to both of the other candidates loses.

[Baron von Biffo]

I nominate Ciaran Cuffe.

Imagine the posters - Vote No.1 Cuffe for Lord F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking Mayor

[rebel-in-exile]

[QUOTE=dublincitizen;2341532]Can someone please explain to me why Dublin and Cork Mayors are still referred to as 'Lord Mayor' whereas the Mayors for Limerick, Waterford and Galway are called 'Mayors'? /QUOTE]



From Wikipedia:
The Lord Mayor of Cork is the symbolic head of the local government in the city of Cork in Ireland. The first record of the office (as Mayor of Cork) is in a charter granted to the city by Edward II in 1318. The title was changed to Lord Mayor in a charter issued by Queen Victoria on 9 July 1900;[1] unlike his counterparts, the Lord Mayor of Dublin and the Lord Mayor of Belfast, the Cork Lord Mayor was not entitled to title The Right Honourable. The title Lord Mayor defines the power of a city when compared to other towns and cities around the country. Only Dublin, Belfast and Cork have the privilege of using the title Lord Mayor, as opposed to just simply Mayor.

[alonso]

3 candidates

Eamonn Ryan (no chance but may be the best man for it imho)
Ruairi Quinn (knows his way round the urban realm as an architect with a keen interest in planning and development issues - would lend more gravitas than Cuffe)
Gay Mitchell (would win, but that would not necessarily be a good thing)

As far as I'm concerned, outside the latter 2 there are no other realistic or desirable candidates for this national and internationally important post.

[Yixian]

An architect would be excellent.

[drjimryan2]

putting it the way ye do....mitchell does (at this stage) seem the obvious choice.......unless central nominate nicky byrne?