Dublin South East

[Dee Four]

The case to develop a substantial new Port should have and could have been made prior to the development of the Port Tunnel.

Agreed. This problem has been festering for quite some time. But I would hardly blame that on the PDs. Every politician in the area for over the past 20-odd years has to shoulder the blame for allowing the situation get out of hand.

A "Picture Bite" as someone described the PD Policy is nosubstitute for a comprehensive plan.

Agreed. But it is not claimed to be a substitute. It is meant to provoke debate. As a local politician I am sure you are aware of the many reasons why Dublin bay will never look like it does in the graphic. But what Tom is after is proposals from the public as to what they think it should be used for.

The methods operated by the DDDA through its Masterplan has shown the way forward.

Forgive me, I'm confused. Are you saying that you agree with the Master Plan and it is the way forward, or do you disagree with it and are worried it is the method that will be used in the future?

There is a case for a second Port at Brenmore - not as an alternative Port but a supplementary one.

But then we still have all the problems we have with the existing port. The urban sprawl, trucks moving through the city, the delays caused by the bridge operating, the lack of facilities for the truck drivers, the lack of enjoyment that we would get from having a view from the bay, and so on.

As Cathaoirleach of the Dublin Regional Authority I have just established a Dublin Bay Forum and I hope that the PD's will input to this and that responsible Government action might arise from this.

I would love to participate, but I'm afraid I am comprised more of enthusiasm than insight. Perhaps not all that dis-similar to Morrissey!

As for my comment re Senator Morrissey above I have not seen one disinterested single prediction that he will win a seat in Dublin North.

Unfortunately, I am not disinterested. I intend to canvass for him, so I would hope that my efforts would not be entirely in vain.

Perhaps the new PD's interest in the Port has more to do with FF winning the battle on the Incinerator leaving egg on Michael Mc Dowells face and Tom Morrissey needing to do something for Dublin North - seems a fair assumption to me!

They won't be able to build an Incinerator is there is 12 twenty-storey office blocks in the way! There is method to McD's madness!

[Pierre Proudhon]

Congratulations to Chris Andrews. However, I hope he does not win a seat. Now that GK is finished, will Labour see sense and add KH. Was JG at the PD meeting last night?

[BarryW]

The Port Tunnel will not be made useless. It just won't be taking much trucks

Is that right? Well its funny how people change their tune, isn't it.

There was a time when Morrissey used to get quite excercised at the thought of ANY trucks at all being excluded from the Tunnel, let alone their total exclusion full stop:


For example, 16th of July 2003:

It is imperative that we now resolve the height issue once and for all. Sides still differ on the number of trucks that will be excluded from the completed tunnel, with estimates ranging from less than 1% to over 5%. Publication of the NITL figures is essential to decide the issue

Later that day, he got even more indignant:

The NITL figures are significant and cannot be dismissed lightly. 157 trucks is five times greater than the original official estimate of 30 trucks. When you look at from another perspective, it equals over 1,000 trucks per week, or in excess of 52,000 trucks per year.”

“These trucks will not be able to use the tunnel. And these trucks will be barred from travelling through the centre of the city. It is incumbent therefore on Dublin City Council to indicate what route will be available for these trucks to travel through and from Dublin port

June 18th 2003:

The M50 was designed to accommodate super trucks, its bridges are high enough, why then do we have a Port Tunnel that cannot accommodate them

11th of March 2003:

Minister of State at the Department of Transport Jim McDaid appeared to be suggesting that trucks which don't fit the height requirements will be stopped from entering this country when the tunnel opens in 2005

16th September 2004:

Progressive Democrats Transport Spokesman Senator Tom Morrissey has today dismissed the proposed ban on super cube trucks in the Republic 'as a nonsensical and costly move', saying it 'will threaten jobs and damage our economy's competitiveness.'

Senator Morrissey seems to have been most animated on the subject of trucks being excluded from the Tunnel in the past, on the basis that it would make the entire Port Tunnel project irrelevant.
And now you're saying he is proposing himself that that be the case and that all trucks be exclueded??

Tom Morrissey seems to be willing to do anything to get a Dail seat.

He changed parties, in an act of treason that he will regret in 2007 :twisted:
He changed constituencies and abandoned the voters of Dublin West
And now, he is changing his policies by doing a complete U-Turn on the Port Tunnel - an act of cynical opportunism that would make David Cameron blush.

Poor Tom - will he ever learn?

[rockofcashel]

[quote=BarryW]

The Port Tunnel will not be made useless. It just won't be taking much trucks

Is that right? Well its funny how people change their tune, isn't it.

There was a time when Morrissey used to get quite excercised at the thought of ANY trucks at all being excluded from the Tunnel, let alone their total exclusion full stop:


For example, 16th of July 2003:

It is imperative that we now resolve the height issue once and for all. Sides still differ on the number of trucks that will be excluded from the completed tunnel, with estimates ranging from less than 1% to over 5%. Publication of the NITL figures is essential to decide the issue

Later that day, he got even more indignant:

The NITL figures are significant and cannot be dismissed lightly. 157 trucks is five times greater than the original official estimate of 30 trucks. When you look at from another perspective, it equals over 1,000 trucks per week, or in excess of 52,000 trucks per year.”

“These trucks will not be able to use the tunnel. And these trucks will be barred from travelling through the centre of the city. It is incumbent therefore on Dublin City Council to indicate what route will be available for these trucks to travel through and from Dublin port

June 18th 2003:

The M50 was designed to accommodate super trucks, its bridges are high enough, why then do we have a Port Tunnel that cannot accommodate them

11th of March 2003:

Minister of State at the Department of Transport Jim McDaid appeared to be suggesting that trucks which don't fit the height requirements will be stopped from entering this country when the tunnel opens in 2005

16th September 2004:

Progressive Democrats Transport Spokesman Senator Tom Morrissey has today dismissed the proposed ban on super cube trucks in the Republic 'as a nonsensical and costly move', saying it 'will threaten jobs and damage our economy's competitiveness.'

Senator Morrissey seems to have been most animated on the subject of trucks being excluded from the Tunnel in the past, on the basis that it would make the entire Port Tunnel project irrelevant.
And now you're saying he is proposing himself that that be the case and that all trucks be exclueded??

Tom Morrissey seems to be willing to do anything to get a Dail seat.

He changed parties, in an act of treason that he will regret in 2007 :twisted:
He changed constituencies and abandoned the voters of Dublin West
And now, he is changing his policies by doing a complete U-Turn on the Port Tunnel - an act of cynical opportunism that would make David Cameron blush.

Poor Tom - will he ever learn?[/quote:bdnsbyot]

acts of treason ne less huh ?

didn't a certain Wexford TD betray his independent voters last year, and you lot made him a senior shadow spokesperson.

Hell of a punishment for treason :wink:

[ryano]

It was great to see McD slap down my local Green rep. He was nice to Humphreys, though mainly because he stood up to say what a great job we were doing.

I wouldn't say he slapped her down, although he was very patronising towards her. Also, I don't remember Kevin saying what a good job you were doing, although he did compliment you on holding a public meeting. However the main thrust of his contribution was to correct a number of errors in fact that McDowell had made.

Agreed. This problem has been festering for quite some time. But I would hardly blame that on the PDs. Every politician in the area for over the past 20-odd years has to shoulder the blame for allowing the situation get out of hand.

Seeing as the PDs have been in government for more than half of that 20-year period, I think they're as apt to shoulder the blame as anybody else.

They won't be able to build an Incinerator is there is 12 twenty-storey office blocks in the way! There is method to McD's madness!

The incinerator is due to go to planning before the end of this year, so perhaps he had better come up with a more short-term plan to stop it.

[BarryW]

didn't a certain Wexford TD betray his independent voters last year, and you lot made him a senior shadow spokesperson

Morrissey betrayed his party.
Pray tell, what party did Dr. Twomey betray?

[cllr]

Quick response:

Ryano is correct the Plan will have no effect on stopping the Incinerator it is pardon the pun merely a smokescreen to try and evade PD and FF responsibility for it going ahead.

Deefour I thought I made it clear the DDDA format ius exactly the way to proceed. Thankfully it was established by Lab in Government and involved the local community and elected representatives. Unfortunately in the area of planning every single step taken by this Government has been backwards - with less and less community involvement all along.

Three the notion of Mc Dowell slapping down Clare Wheeler is simply distateful. In all the years I have known Clare I have found her to be honourable and committed. Clearly with those qualities it would appear that last night Clare was more needed at the DSE FF Convention than anywhere else.

[ryano]

Was JG at the PD meeting last night?

John was speaking at a debate on Irish neutrality in Trinity. However he is familiar with the proposals and has issued a statement with his reaction:

PD proposals for Dublin Port and Poolbeg peninsula lack substance, says Gormley

[rockofcashel]

didn't a certain Wexford TD betray his independent voters last year, and you lot made him a senior shadow spokesperson

Morrissey betrayed his party.
Pray tell, what party did Dr. Twomey betray?

he betrayed the independent voters of Wexford. You know, those people who had the opportunity to vote for FG in the last GE, and didn't do so.

[hiker]

The Port Tunnel will not be made useless.It just won't be taking much trucks

Is that right? Well its funny how people change their tune, isn't it.

There was a time when Morrissey used to get quite excercised at the thought of ANY trucks at all being excluded from the Tunnel, let alone their total exclusion full stop:

So let me get this right. In Fine Geal-speak

"wont be taking much trucks" actually means "totally excludes all trucks".

Is this correct, barryw? Am I reading this right.?

When a FG spokesman says one thing he actually means something else?

Yeah, I think I'm getting the picture now.