Dunner Towers: Application made today

[ibis]

[quote=Dee Four]

But this IS logical planning. Obviously he won't get 37 storeys. He'll be knocked down to 20 at the most, which I believe is still too high for that area. There is scope for up to a thousand new family sized homes of all types and sizes in Ballsbridge, and I hope that these plans, to an extent, come to fruition.

People, it's either put them here within walking distance of the city centre, or stick em in Gorey and consign another tranche of Celtic Tiger ireland to the commuter belt. The quality of life that we could create in this city if inner suburbs like BBridge, Sandymount, Ringsend etc were developed intensely (within reason), when brownfield sites become available, would be far far greater than the current patterns. Don't let the NIMBY BANANA gombeenmen push this development out in it's entirety.

Jurys has been an ugly scar for decades. Good Riddance,. But it must be replaced by an attarctive, mixed use, life-long community. There;ll be new PUBLIC spaces instead of the old gated lot, and new PUBLIC streets. I hope Sean Dunne gets permission, (obviously from ABP) for a development here and I think it's right he should.

I agree completely. The new development sounds absolutely wonderful. People who moan about the effect it might have on the local area should really take a long hard look at jurys as it stands now. Absolutely nothing could be built on the site that could be more of an eyesore than what is there now. A large crater would be preferrable.

That's because a large crater has no visible presence...I like the mixed development, I'm not so enamoured of the 'landmark building'.

Uh, it might be off topic, but are you saying you wouldn't notice a large, jurys-shaped hole in the ground?[/quote:2fbdtqpz]

From anywhere but standing right next it? No, it's hard to see even above a Georgian building...I wouldn't expect to be able to see it from Merrion Square, for instance.

[Lennon]

But this IS logical planning. Obviously he won't get 37 storeys. He'll be knocked down to 20 at the most, which I believe is still too high for that area. There is scope for up to a thousand new family sized homes of all types and sizes in Ballsbridge, and I hope that these plans, to an extent, come to fruition.

People, it's either put them here within walking distance of the city centre, or stick em in Gorey and consign another tranche of Celtic Tiger ireland to the commuter belt. The quality of life that we could create in this city if inner suburbs like BBridge, Sandymount, Ringsend etc were developed intensely (within reason), when brownfield sites become available, would be far far greater than the current patterns. Don't let the NIMBY BANANA gombeenmen push this development out in it's entirety.

Jurys has been an ugly scar for decades. Good Riddance,. But it must be replaced by an attarctive, mixed use, life-long community. There;ll be new PUBLIC spaces instead of the old gated lot, and new PUBLIC streets. I hope Sean Dunne gets permission, (obviously from ABP) for a development here and I think it's right he should.

The uncontrolled (car dependent) sprawl of Dublin is totally unsustainable development. The gombeen men have a lot to answer for. It makes much more planning sense to build high rise in the major cities. People living there can walk or cycle to work. Obviously all the necessary infrastructure should be built first.

At lease the Dunner does not build in the sea unlike Sisk and Park Developments.

[wombat]

There is plenty of room around the docklands where this type of development would be much more suitable there is no need to go out that far, there is no point in living in a high rise if you are in a suburb. It defeats the whole point.

Agree the Docklands is the place for high rise - we could have a new city centre down there, those who want Georgian could stay where they are.
Its all academic, there's no chance of this going ahead in Ballsbridge.

[alonso]

course there is wombat. Ballsbridge will be unrecognisable by 2020. Ballsbridge is a suburb in name only. It's uses, functions, and distribution of activity is identical to most of Dublin 2. I don't believe "high rise" should be either dotted about in landmark buildings, or constrained to certain areas. Once there's decent transport links and impact on naighbouring properties is minimised I don't see the problem. 37 storeys will become 20. Many appeals will be lodged. Permission will be granted, and this poor woman will just have to move with the times:

[wombat]

Its long past time we had high rise buildings in Dublin but since no one wants to live next to them, the Docklands is the only place available. Start at the Custom House, go 5 stories higher each block as you go downriver, by the time we get to the Pigeon House we could hide the ESB's barber poles.

[flyer]

Starting at half a million! Oh dear no. That will leave poor people into my neighbourhood!

[analyst]

After watching the video my initial enthusiasm for the project has become a passion. I only wish Dublin had 100 projects of this quality.

[St Disibod]

Lose 15 storeys and we may have a brave new world.

This whole project seems to be enjoying general support. Most reservations that I have heard expressed are modest and can be worked out without changing the design- water services and the like. The one critical issue which does impact upon the design is height.

Just out of curiosity- what is the advantage of lopping off a dozen or more stories? I would have figured that if buildings are going to be built at such a height, it is the ones that are architecturally imaginative that should get the go-ahead and thus the prominence that goes with height. I find it difficult to imagine a better tower coming on stream any time soon. It would seem a pity to limit this one to 20 stories and then see a 35 story tower go up in the docklands that is bland. Twenty stories just wouldn't have the impact of 37. A lot of money and effort has gone into this project, and from what I have seen thus far I think it is deserving of landmark status. I would be supportive of the height as it is envisaged.

For what reasons will An Board Pleanála start shaving floors off this development?

[clareman51]

If Dublin needs to go up (which it surely does) instead of out, is there enough infrastructure in place? Down here, Ennis is groaning at the seams due to inadequacies in water supply and sewerage.
Going up ,especially if residences are going to increase in a commercial area, will have a severe effect on service provision.

[alonso]

Disi, the main, albeit pathetic, reason that floors will be shaved off is so that ABP and the local reps can say that they curbed rampant developer led planning etc etc. I agree with you on the merits of the proposed development. I think as a stand alone structure it's faultless.

However from a wider planning point of view, and the good of the city skyline, I believe a more modest structure would suit this site. As I stated earlier, I believe that tall buidlings (25 storeys plus) should be built in large clusters of at least 10 structures in order to have a positive impact on the skyline. i don't believe landmark single towers of anything above 15 storeys contribute much to the landscape. In this case, there will be intense redevelopment of a few small sites. There is no potential for a cluster such as at Heuston, Sandyford, Docklands and to a lesser extent, a redevelopment around Tara Street. I thought the same of the proposal at Donnybrook a few years ago.

I don't believe Ballsbridge has the potential to be a major visual icon on the Dublin skyline the way the places mentioned above have. The best we can hope for here is for one, maybe two major tall buildings of over 25 storeys (exclusiong the stadium). In my opinion this won't look very well. Therefore I think the tower here should be about 20 storeys, which will deliver a local focal point for DSE, rather than a city wide one, which I believe requires a cluster of buildings of 25-50 storeys. From other parts of the city in the future, it will blend into the background whereas places like the Docks will be visible and act as points of orientation. It's difficult to explain and I've probably garbled it up good, but I know what I'm trying to say at least

And i agree re Docklands, the blandness is blinding. But hopefully the further east it moves, the higher it'll get - point village, U2 tower etc