Dunner Towers: Application made today

[ibis]

http://www.thepropertypin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25421#25421

Hmm. I'd forgotten about the American Embassy. Yes, I can't see them being at all happy with being overlooked at chopper height.

[irishpeoplearewhingers]

we should have loads of towers....massive amounts of them with parks and wide boulevards in between....but not there.

[ibis]

we should have loads of towers....massive amounts of them with parks and wide boulevards in between....but not there.

But if we don't put in Ballsbridge, how will we punish the Ballsbridgers for living in Ballsbridge?

[St Disibod]

Thanks for the video alonso.

While such a development would be better suited to the docklands in my view, I think it is a striking improvement on the status quo for Ballsbridge. I don't want to get caught up in Dunne's propaganda mill- carbon neutral buildings and reserved childcare places for children from disadvantaged backgrounds just seems like public relations gimmickry- but the stuff about opening up the space to the public and putting in galleries, music facilities, a cinema and restaurants will all add to Ballsbridge immensely.

I don't imagine I will ever be able to afford to live there, but I probably would if I could. And that is as good a measure for me as any- so I say build fast and build high. It seems ridiculously tall, but the building design seems to lend itself to such impressive scale. Imagine going for cocktails in the jazz bar; while I like my pubs traditional where the bar flies are part of the ecology and the grease on the windows is considered décor I think having lush and luxurious haunts available is good for everyone. It allows horses have their courses. I'm sick to death of losing wonderful pubs to the renovation buzz of replacing wallpaper with brushed metal and cheap art, and bar stools being dumped to make way for leather poufs where you sink further and further down all night and watch your pint move further and further away. If posh drinking is done right, everyone will have to up their game or resign themselves to being the humble dive. It is the in between I hate with a passion, and this might just do away with it- at least in the immediate area.

Apparently the designs are on show over the weekend in the Bekley Court Hotel. I might go for a gander.

[gaelach]

Looks Snazzy...but did anyone else watch that video?

Dublin City to have sprawled out to Cavan by 2020?

[alonso]

we should have loads of towers....massive amounts of them with parks and wide boulevards in between....but not there.

? like Le Corbusier's Radiant City? Why wide boulevards? for cars? Your suggestion smacks of early 20th century planning and architecture which shaped post war Europe and failed. Human scale, narrow streets full of activity is what we need.



The one feature I really like about this scheme is permeability. Opening up a city block that has heretofore been gated. This is the epitome of great city planning - small blocks, opportunity for random interactions, new streetscapes, tonnes upon tonnes of planning gain for the community in the form of retail, social services, cultural facilities, and a new sense of place for a stagnant 'burb. However I too don't want to big up this scheme and sound like Dunner's planning consultant. But the more I think of this proposal the more I like it, apart from the height.

(Liked the pub rant Disi. So true, especially those fcking places where you're almost sittin on the floor by the end of the night, and not in a good way.)

Lose 15 storeys and we may have a brave new world.

[ibis]

we should have loads of towers....massive amounts of them with parks and wide boulevards in between....but not there.

? like Le Corbusier's Radiant City? Why wide boulevards? for cars? Your suggestion smacks of early 20th century planning and architecture which shaped post war Europe and failed. Human scale, narrow streets full of activity is what we need.



The one feature I really like about this scheme is permeability. Opening up a city block that has heretofore been gated. This is the epitome of great city planning - small blocks, opportunity for random interactions, new streetscapes, tonnes upon tonnes of planning gain for the community in the form of retail, social services, cultural facilities, and a new sense of place for a stagnant 'burb. However I too don't want to big up this scheme and sound like Dunner's planning consultant. But the more I think of this proposal the more I like it, apart from the height.

(Liked the pub rant Disi. So true, especially those fcking places where you're almost sittin on the floor by the end of the night, and not in a good way.)

Lose 15 storeys and we may have a brave new world.

Hmm. I'm with you on all of that, particularly the idea of opening access, but the tower is a real sticking point. I might be more concerned because I have lived for at least 20 years of my life within a couple of miles, and am currently still within a couple of miles (my favourite pub is the Beggar's Bush), so this will be a permanent and obvious feature of the landscape from my point of view. What are we shading in summer and winter, and what's the visibility?

[Dee Four]

But this IS logical planning. Obviously he won't get 37 storeys. He'll be knocked down to 20 at the most, which I believe is still too high for that area. There is scope for up to a thousand new family sized homes of all types and sizes in Ballsbridge, and I hope that these plans, to an extent, come to fruition.

People, it's either put them here within walking distance of the city centre, or stick em in Gorey and consign another tranche of Celtic Tiger ireland to the commuter belt. The quality of life that we could create in this city if inner suburbs like BBridge, Sandymount, Ringsend etc were developed intensely (within reason), when brownfield sites become available, would be far far greater than the current patterns. Don't let the NIMBY BANANA gombeenmen push this development out in it's entirety.

Jurys has been an ugly scar for decades. Good Riddance,. But it must be replaced by an attarctive, mixed use, life-long community. There;ll be new PUBLIC spaces instead of the old gated lot, and new PUBLIC streets. I hope Sean Dunne gets permission, (obviously from ABP) for a development here and I think it's right he should.

I agree completely. The new development sounds absolutely wonderful. People who moan about the effect it might have on the local area should really take a long hard look at jurys as it stands now. Absolutely nothing could be built on the site that could be more of an eyesore than what is there now. A large crater would be preferrable.

[ibis]

But this IS logical planning. Obviously he won't get 37 storeys. He'll be knocked down to 20 at the most, which I believe is still too high for that area. There is scope for up to a thousand new family sized homes of all types and sizes in Ballsbridge, and I hope that these plans, to an extent, come to fruition.

People, it's either put them here within walking distance of the city centre, or stick em in Gorey and consign another tranche of Celtic Tiger ireland to the commuter belt. The quality of life that we could create in this city if inner suburbs like BBridge, Sandymount, Ringsend etc were developed intensely (within reason), when brownfield sites become available, would be far far greater than the current patterns. Don't let the NIMBY BANANA gombeenmen push this development out in it's entirety.

Jurys has been an ugly scar for decades. Good Riddance,. But it must be replaced by an attarctive, mixed use, life-long community. There;ll be new PUBLIC spaces instead of the old gated lot, and new PUBLIC streets. I hope Sean Dunne gets permission, (obviously from ABP) for a development here and I think it's right he should.

I agree completely. The new development sounds absolutely wonderful. People who moan about the effect it might have on the local area should really take a long hard look at jurys as it stands now. Absolutely nothing could be built on the site that could be more of an eyesore than what is there now. A large crater would be preferrable.

That's because a large crater has no visible presence...I like the mixed development, I'm not so enamoured of the 'landmark building'.

[Dee Four]

But this IS logical planning. Obviously he won't get 37 storeys. He'll be knocked down to 20 at the most, which I believe is still too high for that area. There is scope for up to a thousand new family sized homes of all types and sizes in Ballsbridge, and I hope that these plans, to an extent, come to fruition.

People, it's either put them here within walking distance of the city centre, or stick em in Gorey and consign another tranche of Celtic Tiger ireland to the commuter belt. The quality of life that we could create in this city if inner suburbs like BBridge, Sandymount, Ringsend etc were developed intensely (within reason), when brownfield sites become available, would be far far greater than the current patterns. Don't let the NIMBY BANANA gombeenmen push this development out in it's entirety.

Jurys has been an ugly scar for decades. Good Riddance,. But it must be replaced by an attarctive, mixed use, life-long community. There;ll be new PUBLIC spaces instead of the old gated lot, and new PUBLIC streets. I hope Sean Dunne gets permission, (obviously from ABP) for a development here and I think it's right he should.

I agree completely. The new development sounds absolutely wonderful. People who moan about the effect it might have on the local area should really take a long hard look at jurys as it stands now. Absolutely nothing could be built on the site that could be more of an eyesore than what is there now. A large crater would be preferrable.

That's because a large crater has no visible presence...I like the mixed development, I'm not so enamoured of the 'landmark building'.

Uh, it might be off topic, but are you saying you wouldn't notice a large, jurys-shaped hole in the ground?