Council to bypass Gormley hurdle to proceed with incinerator

[Galway Tent]

Yes Eurocitizen the people of Dublin did elect a majority of Labour and FG Councilors to Dublin City Council but because of legislation brought in by Fianna Fail - to which you might have some allegiance - all waste management matters and powers have been tranferred to the Manager. So much for Fianna Fails support for democracy.

How about some honesty from Labour?

FF = FG = Labour = Green = IRL-Bankrupt.

Labour appears to fully support a toxins-from-waste incinerator.
TD Quinn appears to have taken the scare-story-script directly from Covanta's PR company MKC, apparently a PR company supporting US private health care in Ireland and connected to Health Minister Harney.

Then TD Quinn seems to have acted on Newstalk as a mouthpiece for Covanta. Why is Labour supporting a company which is reported to have violated workers rights in the USA? TD Quinn did not contest the Big Lie about jobs - at best during proposed operation perhaps 50 low-wage jobs will go to 'non-nationals' on minimum wage.


On Newstalk TD Quinn apparently repeated Covanta's PR spin and Big Lie that US companies will invest elsewhere if Big Lie-X, Big Lie-Y & Z. Covanta and its predecessor Ogden have allegedly broken the law in the USA thousands of times. Since when do honest Google, HP, Intel, etc take investment guidance from a company with a record of lawbreaking?



As a qualified architect it is curious TD Quinn makes no comments about a philistine structure wrecking the vistas and tourism of Dublin, as seen from his front window.


After Judge McKechnie's unapproved adjudication in Dec 2009 on "undue influence" in the Bord Pleanala and EPA processes & massaging of RPS reports by DCCs now-retired asst-city-manager, misdirecting the public, it is very curious TD Quinn fully approves the possibly dodgy Bord Pleanala and EPA "decisions" and claims a lawful process has been conducted, so every Paddy should submit to these great hierarchies (paraphrasing). TD Quinn seems to support the decisions of organisations stacked with political cronies and "ex" incinerator-employees at board level.


Most curious is TD Quinns apparent full support for the blackmailing of Irish taxpayers thro the still-secret contract DCC wrote *before* either Bord Pleanala or EPA issued their edicts in 2007. This smells of Anglo-Irish Bank and the systemic importance Big Lie.


Covanta has told Paddy to jump.
TD Quinn has replied: Yessir Massa, How High!


How about some honesty from Labour?

[bananarepublic.ie]

Whole argument sums up whole psyche of Irish poeple is...


Gas reserves extraction, no way not in my back yard. Nuclear power plan no way not in my back yard. Wind turbines, no way they are eye sore not in my backyard. Incinerator in to burn the rubbish thus producing electricity, no way not in posh south dublin back yard.

Zombie banks, yes please.
Ghost estates, more please.
Shopping holidays in Newyork, any time please.

Come on Ireland!!

[SPN]

Whitney told this paper that Dublin City Council had said it would meet its commitment to supply the full amount of waste.

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..... and if it doesn't supply the full amount of waste it gets to pay penalty payments to Covanta - funded by the Rate Payers of Dublin City.

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[SPN]

So are you saying cllr that the City Manager can spend money on the CPO without the councillors consent?

The Labour Cllr might pretend that is so, but in truth the Labour and Fine Gael Councillors on Dublin City Council signed off on the policy document that the management are now using as cover for this scam in 1998.

It was opposed by Councillor John Gormley then, and is opposed by Minister John Gormley now.

Labour took the shilling when they could have prevented this, and now they try and blame John Gormley.

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[Mushroom]

..... and if it doesn't supply the full amount of waste it gets to pay penalty payments to Covanta - funded by the Rate Payers of Dublin City.

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Still cost loads less than the massive EU fines that we'll have to pay due to Gormless's incompetence and near-criminal non-performance of his statutory duties. The man should be jailed.

[greengoose2]

More bulldozing from Gormless

"I determine national policy, not Dublin City Council," he said. "How is national policy out of my hands?

"I have not been sidestepped on this issue. This debate is not about a foreshore licence but a change of policy. A facility of this size is impossible."

And when the country finally goes down the tubes that fool will be enjoying the spoils of ministership. We will be paying for his stupidity. Who's laughing now?

[orbit]

"I determine national policy, not Dublin City Council," he said. "How is national policy out of my hands?

l'etat, c'est moi ...

[greengoose2]

l'etat, c'est moi ...

Vive le roi, le roi est mort. Le roi n'a pas de vetements non plus.

The man is a moron.

[joemomma]

Still cost loads less than the massive EU fines that we'll have to pay due to Gormless's incompetence and near-criminal non-performance of his statutory duties.

How do you know?

[cllr]

The Labour Cllr might pretend that is so, but in truth the Labour and Fine Gael Councillors on Dublin City Council signed off on the policy document that the management are now using as cover for this scam in 1998.

It was opposed by Councillor John Gormley then, and is opposed by Minister John Gormley now.

Labour took the shilling when they could have prevented this, and now they try and blame John Gormley.

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SPN,

First of all you should note that unlike virtually every other commentator on this issue I have never tried to personalize this issue to John Gormley. I accept he is opposed to this and that in itself, allied to the opposition of same by the elected members of Dublin City Council, is surely a worrying commentary on what passes for democracy in this country.

Labour Councillors voted for a DRAFT Waste Management Plan that provided for an examination of Incineration.

I would still be in favour of that proposition.

Subsequent to that decision all matters pertaining to Waste Management including the final adoption of what had been the DRAFT plan was taken out of our hands.

Yes, you are correct that that is the "cover" that management are using to impose the Poolbeg Plan but no honest reading of the situation could justify that claim.

The Poolbeg Incinerator is a stitch up between the unelected Officials in DCC working with the unelected Officials in the Custom House and that in many ways is more a cause of concern than the Incinerator itself.