Dublin City Councillor suggests council staff may be involved in a coup

[dunno]

The Council do nothings are using proxies or keep clearing cookies to queer the result. Only on Planet Union Beard is their form of industrial action acceptable. They can stop working with all councillors, but instead they follow a nakedly political course.

[JCR]

The Council do nothings are using proxies or keep clearing cookies to queer the result. Only on Planet Union Beard is their form of industrial action acceptable. They can stop working with all councillors, but instead they follow a nakedly political course.

Exactly, this is not even industrial action as such it is political action against three parties, carried by duped PS workers. 'Just answer SF and Labour, the're the boys for us, Hurrah!' Is there a dumb song as well? Like that ridiculous Labour red flag nonsense? It would be laughable if the PS were not stupid enough to go along with Alright Jack's disgusting grab for power at the county's expense. Not a coup, just a grab.

[DeGaulle 2.0]

Exactly, this is not even industrial action as such it is political action against three parties, carried by duped PS workers. 'Just answer SF and Labour, the're the boys for us, Hurrah!' Is there a dumb song as well? Like that ridiculous Labour red flag nonsense? It would be laughable if the PS were not stupid enough to go along with Alright Jack's disgusting grab for power at the county's expense. Not a coup, just a grab.

Perhaps SIPTU are planning change the name of Liberty Hall to Fascism Hall. Obviously they prefer the corporatist partnership set-up to democracy.

[Oldira1]

I am no fan of NAMA but where are you getting this from ?

Its a transfer of the majority of the states resources to a select few

Such complete and utter crap.

Even if you accept NAMA is a bail out. even then what you say does not make sense.

There is a transfer of money for loans and associated assets. I fully expect that the state will take a hit on NAMA and probably a large one but by no means could it be described as transferring the majority of the states resources. Not even with a HUGE stretch of the imagination.

NAMA will manage the loans and chase the debt exactly as if the loans were still owned by the banks. The developers will be exactly the same as if the banks carried the loans. (even if you believe that FF would not allow that you still have to accept that its highly unlikely that FF will be in power for a large chunk of the initial stages of NAMA)

Secondly the only ones that could be classified as being bailed out are the banks.

The banks are not owned by a select few. Indeed the largest beneficiary from NAMA is owned by the state.

The other beneficiaries have multiple owners. In the case of two the largest Banks the single biggest shareholder is the state with the remainder owned by pension funds and individuals.

Firstly I meant NAMA in conjunction with the Bank Guarantee.
Our national income is about €30 billion and we are paying nearly twice this for bad loans with no guarantee we will EVER recover it. This is being done to bail out banks and their bond holders.

The guarantee is for about €400 BILLION...more than every man woman and child in this country produces in a couple of years. If you do not see this as putting the resources of the state at the disposal of a select few you are very blind.

A select few having control of everything this state has is in any words a form of a coup.

[Eurocitizen]

You know very little about council staff if you stand over a comment like that. I on the other hand have first hand experience of dealing with council staff, and observing other councillors dealing with council staff, and I have to tell you, nothing creates more inefficiency in the public service than interfering councillors and Oireachtas members.

Example:

Mary down the road looks for a medical card she'd not entitled to. She applies for it, and is told she isn't entitled to it. (refusal one)

So, she goes to her closest councillor, and asks him to look for it. Medical Card officer tells him she'll look at the case again, and does so. Mary still isn't entitled to it. (refusal two)

She tries all the parties with other councillors eg FG/Lab/SF and the local fixer Indo (refusals three, four, five, and six).. still no medical card

Then she goes up the chain, to two or three TD's (refusal 7 and 8)

Look at the inefficiency caused there... by interfering representatives.

That's the problem in Ireland.

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]With all due respect I think I do know a little of how the system works, you have given a hypothetical situation and totally without foundation but I will give you a factual situation.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]A pensioner has her fuel allowance stopped and gets in contact with the relevant authority to be told she is not entitled to it because her heating is included in her rent.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The pensioner explains that she still has to pay for it in her rent but the pensioners request is denied,[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The pensioner then goes to her local TD and after several weeks her fuel allowance is reinstated and backdated.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Now tell me where the inefficiency is in this case and if the pensioner had not gone to her TD would she have got her fuel allowance re instated?[/SIZE][/FONT]