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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth View Post
    Well bless me you are the one who seems to be dwelling on Putins cock. I personally never give it a moments thought.

    Mind you not surprising given you are a sad little shabby Fascist.
    You keep pulling Putin's penis, into the thread. And then when it is pointed out to you, you start looking around at other people.

    You have proven again that YOU ARE A BULLSH!TTER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    I likewise agree. European defense needs to be further coordinated and deepened. Small nations in particular need to specialise and integrate rather than just try to smaller scale mirror versions of the larger states militaries. For example Luxembourg’s military air transport capabilities. IMO Ireland should do likewise, focus on airlift, maritime patrol and naval capabilities.
    Aye, they say we're a seafaring nation.



    ChorusThe Cliona, the Meabh and the Macha
    The pride of the Irish navy
    When the Captain he blows on his whistle
    All the sailors go home for their tea

    While the army is off in the Congo
    In Cyprus or some foreign parts
    Our navy is strained to the limits
    Deploying it's nautical acts

    Chorus

    One day from the Russian invader
    Defending our very odd fish
    We found it was just the red herring
    From the signals we got from the Kish

    Chorus

    Each year they go on manoeuvres
    To prepare for defence they are keen
    Sometimes it's the Lakes of Killarney
    More often the pond in the Green

    Chorus

    The canal it could be of assistance
    In defending our own holy ground
    But due to proposed legislation
    We'll have to sail all the way round

    Chorus

    We are a seafaring nation
    Defence of our land is a right
    We'd fight like the devil all morning
    Provided we're home by the night

    Chorus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof Honeydew View Post
    Aye, they say we're a seafaring nation.



    ChorusThe Cliona, the Meabh and the Macha
    The pride of the Irish navy
    When the Captain he blows on his whistle
    All the sailors go home for their tea

    While the army is off in the Congo
    In Cyprus or some foreign parts
    Our navy is strained to the limits
    Deploying it's nautical acts

    Chorus

    One day from the Russian invader
    Defending our very odd fish
    We found it was just the red herring
    From the signals we got from the Kish

    Chorus

    Each year they go on manoeuvres
    To prepare for defence they are keen
    Sometimes it's the Lakes of Killarney
    More often the pond in the Green

    Chorus

    The canal it could be of assistance
    In defending our own holy ground
    But due to proposed legislation
    We'll have to sail all the way round

    Chorus

    We are a seafaring nation
    Defence of our land is a right
    We'd fight like the devil all morning
    Provided we're home by the night

    Chorus
    I honestly do think sometimes a lot of the anti-NATO-ishness is not from any principle or the recent arrival of Putinism in Ireland but just annoyance that there isnt an Irish Brigade in there somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    You keep pulling Putin's penis, into the thread. And then when it is pointed out to you, you start looking around at other people.

    You have proven again that YOU ARE A BULLSH!TTER.
    Can you stop quoting her .....Please ..............My P.ie experience is immeasurably better since i stopped reading her drunken self aggrandising paranoia and nonsense
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    It is remarkable that after 9/11 it took George W Bush 2 years to turn Europe against American policy.

    Remember Rumsfeld attacking France and Germany as "Old Europe" because they would not join the "coalition of the willing" to invade Iraq? Old Europe turned out to be far smarter than Rumsfeld or Bush gave them credit.

    After Obama repaired relationships, it has taken Trump 18 months to put them under severe stress again. Trump appears to care more about his own ego than about his country's vital interests.
    Yes. That's why social fascists in Europe were ecstatic about Emperor Obama. He made the US likeable again. Baby Bush was bad for business. And the Wolf of Wall Street with a bad hair piece again is bad for business.

    Obama was no MLK

    Martin Luther King had a dream, Obama had a drone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth View Post
    I honestly do think sometimes a lot of the anti-NATO-ishness is not from any principle or the recent arrival of Putinism in Ireland but just annoyance that there isnt an Irish Brigade in there somewhere.
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    France and the UK, the top two NATO military spenders (besides the USA) outspend Russia in military budgets in combined expenditure. Together, all of European NATO + Canada must outspend Russia by a vast amount.

    So I think this is more about the quality of the military spending, not the absolute amount.

    Russian armed forces are basically nuclear missiles, nuclear submarines, air force, armoured divisions, special forces and a massive conscript army that is probably mainly useless. What it might lack in quality of weapons, it might make up in sheer numbers.

    The point is Russia is a second-class power with a relatively small economy (smaller than Italy's) - as an ally to the US or even China, it would probably by like shackling yourself to a corpse. Putin's military adventurism may pay off in the short term, but in the long term he is overstretching meagre resources, and there will be a terrible payback.
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    China was forced to cede the coloured territory to Russia in the 18th century, including what is now Vladivostok. The Chinese still resent what they call the "unequal treaties" they were forced to make with European powers. They did get back Hong Kong and Macao, plus the concessions given to foreigners in their ports.

    I wonder, when Russia is sufficiently weak ,will China come looking for its territory back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    France and the UK, the top two NATO military spenders (besides the USA) outspend Russia in military budgets in combined expenditure. Together, all of European NATO + Canada must outspend Russia by a vast amount.

    So I think this is more about the quality of the military spending, not the absolute amount.

    Russian armed forces are basically nuclear missiles, nuclear submarines, armoured divisions, special forces and a massive conscript army that is probably mainly useless. What it might lack in quality of weapons, it might make up in sheer numbers.

    The point is Russia is a second-class power with a relatively small economy (smaller than Italy's) - as an ally to the US or even China, it would probably by like shackling yourself to a corpse. Putin's military adventurism may pay off in the short term, but in the long term he is overstretching meagre resources, and there will be a terrible payback.

    Dear Christ ...the sheer stupidity ....long time since Ive read anything quite so stupid on P.ie ..quite an achievement Are you related to Hammer by any chance ?


    By lack of quality of weapons , do you mean the most feared surface to air missile system and the 2nd most feared fighter jet ?
    By 2nd rate power , you mean the most nuclear warheads after the USA that no one else can touch


    And if the US decides not to stop Putins "military adventurism " (Id call it preventing encirclement for a very good reason) who do you think will ...Your beloved EU without the only decent army in it . ....the UK.
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Jesus but youre an utter eejiot
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    Trump is putting the screws on.

    I don't see how Merkel can avoid appeasing him
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