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    Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

    Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

    Yes folks its that time of the year again as the men & women of the Irish Naval Service depart for the Mediterranean once again to do their bit to ....

    Well up to now to fish illegal immigrants out of the water and ship them to Europe.

    But this Season there is a Sea Change and they will be part of Operation Sophia

    The naval vessel LÉ Samuel Beckett has left for the Mediterranean to take part in an EU operation to disrupt human trafficking and smuggling networks there.
    A crew of 54 members of the Defence Forces is taking part in Operation Sophia.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018...-beckett-cork/

    Operation Sophia.
    Operation Sophia's mission is to undertake systematic efforts to identify, capture and dispose of vessels and enabling assets used or suspected of being used by migrant smugglers or traffickers, in order to contribute to wider EU efforts to disrupt the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks in the Southern Central Mediterranean and prevent the further loss of life at sea.

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    I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

    - and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...
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    If you believed rte's reporting, it's the exact same "humanitarian" mission as previously, uncomfortable reporting for rte no doubt given there previous form on this one and indeed the amount of their own (agenda pumpers) " journalists" that made this their cause celebre.
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    I heard we're going to surprise everyone and invade Gibraltar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

    Yes folks its that time of the year again as the men & women of the Irish Naval Service depart for the Mediterranean once again to do their bit to ....

    Well up to now to fish illegal immigrants out of the water and ship them to Europe.

    But this Season there is a Sea Change and they will be part of Operation Sophia

    The naval vessel LÉ Samuel Beckett has left for the Mediterranean to take part in an EU operation to disrupt human trafficking and smuggling networks there.
    A crew of 54 members of the Defence Forces is taking part in Operation Sophia.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018...-beckett-cork/

    Operation Sophia.
    Operation Sophia's mission is to undertake systematic efforts to identify, capture and dispose of vessels and enabling assets used or suspected of being used by migrant smugglers or traffickers, in order to contribute to wider EU efforts to disrupt the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks in the Southern Central Mediterranean and prevent the further loss of life at sea.

    https://www.facebook.com/DefenceForces

    I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

    - and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...
    The NS is there to protect our fisheries & our coast. Not to send (?) €50 million worth of naval vessel to the Med.
    If the Italians assign a CG vessel to Operation Sophia, it is 2% of their fleet, for us it is 20%.

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    Even if the mission hadn't changed, it seems doubtful that the Irish Navy would be allowed unload the human cargo in Italy as they were doing before. Govt. there is somewhat chaotic now, partly as a result of the migrant crisis.

    Looking forward to hearing that the LE Samuel Beckett has sunk a few boats with their big gun. Not holding my breath while waiting for it though.
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    I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

    - and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...

    If they can't take people off boats and set them down on a nearby beach, they're not much of a navy. Maybe the RNLI would be handier for the job?
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    don't see how anyone is treating this as a change, we moved to Sophia with the Niamh tour, so it's just more of what we already are part of. As for the use of the Navy, the Navy is there to do whatever they are tasked to do, just as the Army and Air Corps, there's no difference between a Navy deployment and an Army UN deployment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky42 View Post
    don't see how anyone is treating this as a change, we moved to Sophia with the Niamh tour, so it's just more of what we already are part of.
    LE Niamh only went out last October and came back in December, so it was outside the main migration season.
    Lieutenant Commander Stuart Armstrong said he and the crew were very proud of how they, and the ship, had performed as part of their first European Common Security & Defence Policy mission.

    The crew rescued 613 people, including 164 children, but the emphasis was on surveillance and intelligence gathering on smugglers in order to try to disrupt trafficking networks in the Mediterranean and prevent further loss of life at sea.
    They don't seem to have interrupted any people trafficking, they only contributed to it. Maybe they hadn't quite got the message at that stage that things have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    LE Niamh only went out last October and came back in December, so it was outside the main migration season. They don't seem to have interrupted any people trafficking, they only contributed to it. Maybe they hadn't quite got the message at that stage that things have changed.
    The obvious question is what did they do with the 613 people 'rescued'. Were they returned whence they came as part of the smuggling-disruption mission or were they passed on to the Italians to look after as previously? Answers on a postcard please.....
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