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    Quote Originally Posted by forest View Post
    Based on a press release earlier we are not part of this along with Portugal and Malta
    Other neutral/non aligned countries are ie Austria, Finland and Sweden
    Have you got a link to a press release where it states we are not included
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    Quote Originally Posted by forest View Post
    Based on a press release earlier we are not part of this along with Portugal and Malta
    Other neutral/non aligned countries are ie Austria, Finland and Sweden
    We are, Kehoe was there and the Cabinet have already committed to signing up before the official launch in December. Denmark isn't as they have an Opt out on Defence matters (but they are part of NATO), Portugal intends to, like us before the December launch pending agreement with their Main Opposition party. Think only Malta would be outside both NATO and this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky42 View Post
    We are, Kehoe was there and the Cabinet have already committed to signing up before the official launch in December. Denmark isn't as they have an Opt out on Defence matters (but they are part of NATO), Portugal intends to, like us before the December launch pending agreement with their Main Opposition party. Think only Malta would be outside both NATO and this.
    We have an opt out on Defense Matters

    - why are we not exercising it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    We have an opt out on Defense Matters

    - why are we not exercising it?
    Because we are choosing not to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky42 View Post
    Because we are choosing not to?
    So we are to enter a Military Pact without any prior consultation or desire by the People of this State to do so

    Its getting late but did we not see challenges launched before in the Courts over Irish Neutrality been compromised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    So we are to enter a Military Pact without any prior consultation or desire by the People of this State to do so

    Its getting late but did we not see challenges launched before in the Courts over Irish Neutrality been compromised?
    Neutrality is more Government policy than Statue so I'm not sure what if any cases have ever been taken about it, I'm guessing the Government takes the view that this isn't a change from the current EU operations we partake in nor is it an "EU Common Defence" so isn't an issue.

    Do consider that reportedly we did make commitments regarding defence when we joined (hence the Eithne being a "warship standard" rather than more P20's and the intended larger Mech buy for the Army, but Recession and the Government figuring out "neutrality" was easier to sell than actually spending on defence produced the modern DF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forest View Post
    Based on a press release earlier we are not part of this along with Portugal and Malta
    Other neutral/non aligned countries are ie Austria, Finland and Sweden
    not yet... https://euobserver.com/foreign/139854
    The Irish foreign minister, Simon Coveney, hinted that Ireland would join in December.
    "This does not undermine in any way Irish neutrality", he said, noting that participation in specific projects, such as EU rapid reaction forces, would remain "voluntary" even if Ireland signed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostexpectation View Post
    Well at least your source tells it like it is:

    EU takes step toward joint army

    Britain, Denmark, Ireland, Malta, and Portugal stayed out.
    But some of them, such as Ireland, indicated they might join in time for the summit.
    [December]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Well at least your source tells it like it is:

    EU takes step toward joint army

    Britain, Denmark, Ireland, Malta, and Portugal stayed out.
    But some of them, such as Ireland, indicated they might join in time for the summit.
    [December]
    Simple Simon is under the impression that joining an Army " does not undermine in any way Irish neutrality"!

    Go figure....
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    Selmayr, Juncker's right hand man, tweets a helpful graphic

    https://twitter.com/martinselmayr/st...60810927394816
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