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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky42 View Post
    In reality I don't see us changing anything in terms of the DF.
    This will not end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    EU Army established 13th November 2017.
    How many times since Lisbon have we been told the EU Army has been/will be established? I mean so much for German Efficiency in that case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tipofdiceberg View Post
    This will not end well.
    What we might actually be forced to spend something to deal with the funding issues that we have even for a force as limited as we currently have... Yeah not actually worried if it means we start dealing with systemic problems.

    But don't worry your little head, we won't and everyone will ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    In effect it puts us in tandem with NATO
    If it means our Mickey Mouse neutrality confined to the dust bin of history then good.
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    We will see PESCO/NATO bases here eventually....

    - after all our military forces are so minuscule and not exactly equipped for anything other than light peacekeeping duties

    - what else could they need us for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    We will see PESCO/NATO bases here eventually....

    - after all our military forces are so minuscule and not exactly equipped for anything other than light peacekeeping duties

    - what else could they need us for...
    You know what's funny, on other threads you and others declare that defence spending is pointless as we're basically on a Western lake and nothing can get to us/harm us/attack us without going through other nations first. AND YET you're first thought is "EU bases because our forces aren't equipped"... Which is it? Are we in a strategic safe zone that means spending on things like Jets isn't needed, or are we not and the EU has to move in to do so...

    Here's the reality, THEY DON'T NEED US. They are most likely laughing their asses off, we are joining because it's something the Government has decided to do so, not because the EU said "Hey Paddy, we really need you DF for something..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    If it means our Mickey Mouse neutrality confined to the dust bin of history then good.
    We'll still have the "Triple Lock", so fine upstanding nations like Russia and China, and Trump get to decide on Irish FP instead, isn't that so much better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    If it means our Mickey Mouse neutrality confined to the dust bin of history then good.
    It has stood us in good stead these last 80 years or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky42 View Post
    You know what's funny, on other threads you and others declare that defence spending is pointless as we're basically on a Western lake and nothing can get to us/harm us/attack us without going through other nations first. AND YET you're first thought is "EU bases because our forces aren't equipped"... Which is it? Are we in a strategic safe zone that means spending on things like Jets isn't needed, or are we not and the EU has to move in to do so...

    Here's the reality, THEY DON'T NEED US. They are most likely laughing their asses off, we are joining because it's something the Government has decided to do so, not because the EU said "Hey Paddy, we really need you DF for something..."
    I think you must be confusing me with someone else....
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    Based on a press release earlier we are not part of this along with Portugal and Malta
    Other neutral/non aligned countries are ie Austria, Finland and Sweden
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