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    The Dáil has voted to join the European Union's Permanent Structured Co-operation Agreement.
    The decision to join PESCO was passed by 75 votes to 42.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201.../925760-pesco/

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    Meanwhile People Before Profit/Solidarity TD Richard Boyd Barrett said the Government was "pulling a fast one" and accused Fianna Fáil of colluding with them.
    He said it was unconstitutional and an abandonment of Ireland's neutrality. He said the opposition may challenge the matter on constitutional grounds.

    Yesterday, TD Mick Wallace said if Ireland joins the EU military force it will the final nail in the coffin of Irish neutrality.


    Don't often agree with Messer's Boyd Barrett and Wallace

    - but they are bang on the money here!
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    The well-paid, well connected elite are cock-a-hoop with their new EU army. Who will they bomb first. Another bonanza for the arms industry, yaaay

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    She is awake, the Sleeping Beauty of the Lisbon Treaty: Permanent Structured Cooperation is happening. I welcome the operational steps taken today by Member States to lay the foundations of a European #DefenceUnion. Our security cannot be outsourced. European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - European Commission welcomes first operational steps towards a European Defence Union *
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasherHash View Post
    The well-paid, well connected elite are cock-a-hoop with their new EU army. Who will they bomb first. Another bonanza for the arms industry, yaaay
    Ah yes, President Juncker, our unelected EU overlord has spoken.All hail our Dear Leader.
    PS--imagine being a soldier and having to put your life on the line because of this peckerhead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagmore View Post
    Ah yes, President Juncker, our unelected EU overlord has spoken.All hail our Dear Leader.
    PS--imagine being a soldier and having to put your life on the line because of this peckerhead.
    In fairness most soldiers in history put their heads on the line for peckerheads.

    People need to stop being sheep and start calling out the wealth scum and filth that cause these problems and then send the young out to be slaughtered for their filthy ends and a few more shares on the poxy Nasdaq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ionsniffer View Post
    insane ************************e.
    Sums up a lot of the nEU empire project. It is going insane. The idiots in charge are losing the plot.

    They are going meglamaniacal.

    And FFG are fully committed to it. A pat on the head and an few paddies in body bags.

    Make the world safe for the Seaniebonders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasherHash View Post
    The well-paid, well connected elite are cock-a-hoop with their new EU army. Who will they bomb first. Another bonanza for the arms industry, yaaay
    Thanks JC - you just put your Big Mouth in it!:

    President Juncker said: "In June I said it was time to wake up the Sleeping Beauty of the Lisbon Treaty: permanent structured cooperation. Six months later, it is happening. I welcome the steps taken today by Member States to lay the foundations of a European Defence Union. Europe cannot and should not outsource our security and defence. The European Defence Fund that the European Commission proposed will complement these efforts and act as a further incentive for defence cooperation – including potential funding for some of the projects presented today."
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-5205_en.htm

    Yet we see in the Protocols to the Lisbon Treaty

    - on which basis the People of this State agreed to accept such Treaty*

    - that The Union’s common security and defence policy is an integral part of the common foreign and security policy and provides the Union with an operational capacity to undertake missions outside the Union for peace-keeping, conflict prevention and strengthening international security in accordance with the principles of the United Nations Charter.
    It does not prejudice the security and defence policy of each Member State, including Ireland, or the obligations of any Member State.
    The Treaty of Lisbon does not affect or prejudice Ireland’s traditional policy of military neutrality
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    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...31:0139:EN:PDF

    Versus Junkers 'European Commission welcomes first operational steps towards a European Defence Union'

    I think this should be referred to the Supreme Court for consideration

    ASAP!

    * The Twenty-eighth Amendment[n 1] of the Constitution of Ireland permitted the state to ratify the Lisbon Treaty of the European Union. It was effected by the Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Act 2009, which was approved by referendum on 2 October 2009 (sometimes known as the Lisbon II referendum).
    The amendment was approved by the Irish electorate by 67.1% to 32.9%, on a turnout of 59%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty...ion_of_Ireland
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    This is one of the annoying things about our politicians.

    Whatever the issue. If it is even slightly controversial they will almost never come out and argue their case.

    Here we have a situation where they want Ireland to be part of a common defence, but while they will state publicly that neutrality is not affected, they will continue to chip away at it behind the scenes.

    They appear to be saying that they can't win the debate on neutrality. And isn't that essentially their job - to persuade enough people to support their policies so that they can be implemented.

    This "public position versus private position" is not healthy for democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasayev View Post
    This is one of the annoying things about our politicians.

    Whatever the issue. If it is even slightly controversial they will almost never come out and argue their case.

    Here we have a situation where they want Ireland to be part of a common defence, but while they will state publicly that neutrality is not affected, they will continue to chip away at it behind the scenes.

    They appear to be saying that they can't win the debate on neutrality. And isn't that essentially their job - to persuade enough people to support their policies so that they can be implemented.

    This "public position versus private position" is not healthy for democracy.
    PESCO is in clear contradiction to the terms on which we agreed to the Lisbon Treaty

    It is therefor Unconstitutional in Law

    Maybe our illustrious President Michal D Higgins

    - will at least refer it to the Council of State for consideration before signing it?
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    Are we seen internationally as being neutral though, I have always regarded Ireland's neutrality as a bit of joke, a nod-and-a-wink kind of thing. We are clearly very closely alligned with the western world and have an economy extremely reliant on US MNC's and DFI. Saying that I find the way this was put through the Dail without significant consultation very offputting. It should also be noted that only 3 of the current 28 have not signed up, (Britain,Denmark and Malta). This means neutral countries such as Austria,Finland,Sweden and Cyprus have agreed to it and see it as not affecting their neutral status.
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