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    Quote Originally Posted by tsarbomb View Post
    Wrong! A conscription law was extended to Ireland in April 1918 and as for its effect on the outbreak of the war of independence, that's known by any Irish person with even a passing interest in their country's history.

    The conscription crisis of April 1918, when the British government introduced the Military Service Bill extending conscription, which had existed in Britain since January 1916, to Ireland, reinvigorated the Volunteers.......When Lloyd George introduced the Bill to the Commons on 9 April 1918, he was warned that 'you will have another battlefront in Ireland', with William O'Brien going as far as saying 'that this is a declaration of war against Ireland'. (Diarmaid Ferriter, A Nation and not a Rabble, The Irish Revolution 1913-1923, London, 1915, page 173)
    Please name a single person conscripted in Ireland as a result of the Military Service Bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtharper View Post
    Please name a single person conscripted in Ireland as a result of the Military Service Bill.
    It was decided by the enemy to use a new Military Service Bill to extend conscription to Ireland but the enemy did not enforce it because they knew they could not.
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    [QUOTE=louis bernard;11833625]
    Quote Originally Posted by tsarbomb View Post
    We're far from being a militaristic people anyway....


    "About 150,000 Irishmen volunteered for the British Army during the First World War, in addition to the c. 50,000 Irishmen already serving at the outbreak."

    Sounds rather militaristic to me.
    Bit like the saying about the empire, "The Irish built it, the Scots admired it and the English lost it." Don't know why the poor welsh didn't get a mention.
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    [QUOTE=louis bernard;11833625]
    Quote Originally Posted by tsarbomb View Post
    We're far from being a militaristic people anyway....


    "About 150,000 Irishmen volunteered for the British Army during the First World War, in addition to the c. 50,000 Irishmen already serving at the outbreak."

    Sounds rather militaristic to me.
    Roughly 24,000 patriotic Irishmen (about 24 battalions) joined the enemy British army, and they were duped into thinking they were fighting for the freedom of small nations - Ireland's freedom in particular.

    The other Irishmen who fought willingly for a foreign King and country (excluding those who joined due to poverty) - were Uncle Toms. To hell with them.
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    [QUOTE=Talk Back;11835989]
    Quote Originally Posted by louis bernard View Post

    Roughly 24,000 patriotic Irishmen (about 24 battalions) joined the enemy British army, and they were duped into thinking they were fighting for the freedom of small nations - Ireland's freedom in particular.

    The other Irishmen who fought willingly for a foreign King and country (excluding those who joined due to poverty) - were Uncle Toms. To hell with them.
    You have to be shinner or loonie leftie with your use of clap trap cliches, To hell with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk Back View Post

    Roughly 24,000 patriotic Irishmen (about 24 battalions) joined the enemy British army, and they were duped into thinking they were fighting for the freedom of small nations - Ireland's freedom in particular.

    The other Irishmen who fought willingly for a foreign King and country (excluding those who joined due to poverty) - were Uncle Toms. To hell with them.
    In Catholic Irish areas people were encouraged to fight for “little Catholic Belgium”, while in Protestant areas people were asked to go fight “Catholic Austria”. As you said, Irish, both Catholic and Protestant, were either tricked into or forced by poverty to become cannon fodder for the British empire. I honestly don’t know what proportion of them were genuine pro-British bootlickers though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsarbomb View Post
    In Catholic Irish areas people were encouraged to fight for “little Catholic Belgium”, while in Protestant areas people were asked to go fight “Catholic Austria”. As you said, Irish, both Catholic and Protestant, were either tricked into or forced by poverty to become cannon fodder for the British empire. I honestly don’t know what proportion of them were genuine pro-British bootlickers though.
    The bottom line is they were all volunteers.
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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36666701.html

    Looks like FG want to push us further into the NATO embrace.

    Hayes and Leo's wish to be no longer neutral seems to be going to get a political push.

    I think within FG there has always been a significant number who want to be part of a western military alliance and they wish to ditch neutrality.

    We will see if the other political parties and the people are like minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinemartin View Post
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36666701.html

    Looks like FG want to push us further into the NATO embrace.

    Hayes and Leo's wish to be no longer neutral seems to be going to get a political push.

    I think within FG there has always been a significant number who want to be part of a western military alliance and they wish to ditch neutrality.

    We will see if the other political parties and the people are like minded.
    Apparently Russia is our enemy now!

    Its like something out of the pages of the Skibereen Eagle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Apparently Russia is our enemy now!

    Its like something out of the pages of the Skibereen Eagle!
    If Hayes and Leo think Russia are our new enemy how do they propose to counter the evil Russian advance?

    Hayes is just making it up as he goes along, he is ideologically wedded to the idea of a non neutral Ireland , he is just looking for excuses to bring that about, even if they are made up by the FG spin machine.
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