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    McDonagh Black McDonagh Black is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    Another example of the Irish propensity for begrudgery.
    Or its propensity for a compo culture.
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    "So to clarify, you support the soldiers actions to be compensated?" Only if they were damaged due to officer/SNCO negligence. Anyone joining the armed forces does so knowing that there is a risk to health involved. You do all you can to reduce that risk and expect officers/SNCO's to do the same on your behalf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawdy View Post

    All, I repeat all cases went through rigourous steps to ensure that they merited a hearing before a judge. Many cases, in spite of the media and the minister for defence Michael Kennedy, resulted in the state having to pay out huge sums. Only a small amout of cases actually went to a full hearing before a judge, mine was one of those.

    I am still DEAF, no one has ever said they are sorry for that damage, no one has ever been prosecuted for that damage. Each and every one of us who made a claim have been villified by the media and the department of defence during M. Kennedys time in office.
    When did former Defence Minister Michael Smith change his name to Kennedy? It's a bit rich to expect him to apologise to you when you can't even get his name right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by McDonagh Black View Post
    Or its propensity for a compo culture.

    Hey auld flower. I want all those here on Politics.ie to witness this statement.

    At this moment, right here, right now, I will give back to the government all the money I have recieved from them for their negligent behaviour towards me. With any interest accrued. If in return they will restore my hearing and rid me of the terrible torture of Tinnitus.

    I don`t want compensation, I never did, I wanted answers, I wanted someone to be answerable, I wanted acknowledgement to the damage caused and to the suffering that was and still is being endured, due to that negligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    When did former Defence Minister Michael Smith change his name to Kennedy? It's a bit rich to expect him to apologise to you when you can't even get his name right!
    Whoops, of course you are right. Mea culpa, I will correct the post.
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    Around €100m of the €330m was in legal bills. There was a number of solictors' firms around the country that made quite a hefty wad (pun intended) out of army deafness claims.

    One firm alone 'earned' €16.7m from handling such cases.

    Army deafness saga finally nears an end - National News - Independent.ie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawdy View Post
    Hey auld flower. I want all those here on Politics.ie to witness this statement.

    At this moment, right here, right now, I will give back to the government all the money I have recieved from them for theit negligent behaviour towards me. With any interest accrued. If in return they will restore my hearing and rid me of the terrible torture of Tinnitus.

    I don`t want compensation, I never did, I wanted answers, I wanted someone to be answerable, I wanted acknowledgement to the damage caused and to the suffering that was and still is being endured, due to that negligence.
    You thought it was a kindergarten uniform did you ? heaven forbid you had been wounded or killed in places like Afghanistan or Iraq but then you knew it was not a real army you were joining and there would be none that old nonsense like fighting and dying for your country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawdy View Post
    Hey auld flower. I want all those here on Politics.ie to witness this statement.

    At this moment, right here, right now, I will give back to the government all the money I have recieved from them for theit negligent behaviour towards me. With any interest accrued. If in return they will restore my hearing and rid me of the terrible torture of Tinnitus.

    I don`t want compensation, I never did, I wanted answers, I wanted someone to be answerable, I wanted acknowledgement to the damage caused and to the suffering that was and still is being endured, due to that negligence.
    I'm sorry for your hearing loss. But my dad was mostly deaf from his mid-40's. When I was 25 I was told I had the hearing of a 50 year old, and it's deteriorated since then. Neither of us were in the army, although I was a big club goer when I was younger. Your deafness and your membership of the army are not necessarily related. And (not referencing you because I don't know you or your situation at all) a hearing test is very easy to fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Jack View Post
    Around 100m of the 330m was in legal bills. There was a number of solictors' firms around the country that made quite a hefty wad (pun intended) out of army deafness claims.

    One firm alone 'earned' 16.7m from handling such cases.

    Army deafness saga finally nears an end - National News - Independent.ie
    In actual fact these firms took 10% from the claiments in spite of having all their costs covered in the settlements.

    They most certainly milked that golden calf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawdy View Post
    I have an interest in this.

    I am one of the many who had their hearing damaged. On my last hearing check ( about 10 yrs ago ) I had lost 79% overall hearing with 21% residual hearing left. In the language of the hearing specialist I am Hard Of Hearing. In reality I am DEAF.

    At the time of my case I was sent to several hearing specialists in Dublin, Cork and Limerick. I had to make statements to solicitors on both sides, barristers were employed by both sides. All, I repeat all cases went through rigourous steps to ensure that they merited a hearing before a judge. Many cases, in spite of the media and the minister for defence Michael Kennedy, resulted in the state having to pay out huge sums. Only a small amout of cases actually went to a full hearing before a judge, mine was one of those.

    Part way through the hearing a false statement by the state was challanged by my barrister. The judge ajourned the case to allow the state to have a rethink about this case.

    I was made a substantial offer, which I accepted. I am still DEAF, no one has ever said they are sorry for that damage, no one has ever been prosecuted for that damage. Each and every one of us who made a claim have been villified by the media and the department of defence during M. Kennedys time in office.

    We were made fun of, a term that was about then was " what about the WHA! money " I wear 2 hearing aids, i suffer from Tinnitus, both have the effect of being very stressful in company. My family as a result also suffer, i am very loud when I talk, it can frighten the grandchildren. For a number of years my wife thought i was ignoring her ( can you imagine the tension ).

    I have gotten on with my life, as have most of those who were damaged in this way, any money paid to us in compensation will never be able to replace the difficulties we have had to face and are still facing.

    Of a group of 35 men that I knew who made a claim all, I repeat all, were sucessful ( if you can call it that ) in their claims. I have not met one who lost their claim.

    I'd believe every word you wrote but how can you be sure you're hearing loss was anything to do with your army service? Hearing declines for most people over time.
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