Cannabis haul! This is a Joke, Wake Up Smell the Beans

[Boggle]

I think, at the moment, soapbar isn't actually the real problem at all. Most people are aware of the level of contamination of soapbar. It's the weed itself that is the problem now. Nasty industrial weed, that gets sprayed with glass, plastic, silica, etc while it's growing. You smoke that without a filter, get the particles in your lungs and its just as bad as asbestos.

While I agree about the grass completely (there is a nasty nasty aftertaste which you only get in Ireland from my experience), a friend gave me the makings last week and it was one of those bullet things which were in the news.

While it was strong, it actually sparked when being burned in from all the plastic running through it - never mind what else is in it.

Anyway, we should legalise it - cos at this stage in the recession the only people who still seem to be working are the bloody untaxed drug dealers!!

[reknaw]

I honestly think there will be a lot of premature deaths from emphysema and lung cancer from this crap...and of course, those who measure these things will blame the deaths on the cannabis itself and not the impurities.

Yes indeed, but the blame will really lie with our stupid decision-makers, who must know that they can never stop people smoking, but yet prevent people from growing their own or licensed growers from producing the stuff subject to health and quality controls. Instead, their stupid policies just create an ideal situation for criminals, whose only motive is to maximise profit. It also brings young people, who would be well advised to stick to grass if they start smoking at all, into contact with dealers who will be only too willing to encourage them to use other much more dangerous substances.

In this they are just as stupid and indeed criminally so as the Pope and his minions who still oppose condoms and thereby sentence thousands to death from AIDS.

BTW, you mentioned earlier that the less-affluent smokers who can barely afford an eight of hash couldn't get the money together to buy a water pipe or hookah. But it's quite easy to make one yourself out of a plastic beverage bottle.

[sarahj]

Yes indeed, but the blame will really lie with our stupid decision-makers, who must know that they can never stop people smoking, but yet prevent people from growing their own or licensed growers from producing the stuff subject to health and quality controls. Instead, their stupid policies just create an ideal situation for criminals, whose only motive is to maximise profit. It also brings young people, who would be well advised to stick to grass if they start smoking at all, into contact with dealers who will be only too willing to encourage them to use other much more dangerous substances.

In this they are just as stupid and indeed criminally so as the Pope and his minions who still oppose condoms and thereby sentence thousands to death from AIDS.

BTW, you mentioned earlier that the less-affluent smokers who can barely afford an eight of hash couldn't get the money together to buy a water pipe or hookah. But it's quite easy to make one yourself out of a plastic beverage bottle.

Yes or a poster tube or anything at all really.

My personal favourite though is the vegetable bong...one bell pepper, two holes, yummy yummy cool smoke!

[geruptheyard!]

This thread has clearly lost the plot all of you are basing your arguements on opinion and heresay. This that and the other. the facts for the negatvie side of your agruement are out there but your ignorance in the desicision to ignore them make each arguement defunct.

I'd rather speak to a stoned person then a drunk, stoned people take it easy never hit anyone. Blah blah blah! Gross negligence by eash of you to neglect to speak abouthe times you have got paranod or the white death.

Drugs and Human Performance FACT SHEETS - Cannabis / Marijuana ( D 9 -Tetrahydrocannabinol, THC)

Cannabis: the dangers

Publications bulletin - July 2009 • Cannabis Research • NCPIC

Countless institutions and associations apublish the daming effects of the drug and its effect on society each month. To simply damn the "other" for speaking against your favourtie hobby is painful to read and very upsetting for anyone who puts there hope in you the future of Ireland.

I never hurt anyone on weed, and im productive. Justify your actuall productiveness what is it you do that makes you so acceptible to society. That accountant was interested in one thing, f*cking money! He is after all an accountant. Realising people are moving away from booze cause of its relative expense, why bother if you can smoke a joint sit at home and not spend more than a tenner and then go to bed!

Your all deluded and in for a terrible shock !

[sarahj]

This thread has clearly lost the plot all of you are basing your arguements on opinion and heresay. This that and the other. the facts for the negatvie side of your agruement are out there but your ignorance in the desicision to ignore them make each arguement defunct.

I'd rather speak to a stoned person then a drunk, stoned people take it easy never hit anyone. Blah blah blah! Gross negligence by eash of you to neglect to speak abouthe times you have got paranod or the white death.

Drugs and Human Performance FACT SHEETS - Cannabis / Marijuana ( D 9 -Tetrahydrocannabinol, THC)

Cannabis: the dangers

Publications bulletin - July 2009 • Cannabis Research • NCPIC

Countless institutions and associations apublish the daming effects of the drug and its effect on society each month. To simply damn the "other" for speaking against your favourtie hobby is painful to read and very upsetting for anyone who puts there hope in you the future of Ireland.

I never hurt anyone on weed, and im productive. Justify your actuall productiveness what is it you do that makes you so acceptible to society. That account was interested in one thing, f*cking money! He is after all an accountant. Realising people are moving away from booze cause of its relative expense, why bnother if you can smoke a joint sit at home and not spend more than a tenner and then go to bed!

Your all deluded and in for a terrible shock !

? What point are you trying to make?

I am confused...

[geruptheyard!]

none of you take into account the negative side you the arguement based on your own wonderful experiences. At that, it seems, is just fine.

[Wakeupcall]

none of you take into account the negative side you the arguement based on your own wonderful experiences. At that, it seems, is just fine.

Are you jealous? I am sure we will address your concern, Sarahj, care to address this concern?

[sarahj]

Are you jealous? I am sure we will address your concern, Sarahj, care to address this concern?

Why thank you! You are a true gentleman. Anything you would like to add yourself?

none of you take into account the negative side you the arguement based on your own wonderful experiences. At that, it seems, is just fine.

None of us have any problem accepting negative side effects of cannabis, so long as they are objectively, generalisably proven. We have spoken about many possibly negative effects throughout the thread, including mental issues, addiction, etc. There have been debates on these issues, even between those of us on the side of legalisation.

However, as long as cannabis is illegal, effects based on purity, etc cannot be measured reliably. This is the main problem with all of these "studies". One cannot do a longterm study on the effects of cannabis because of the number of unmeasurable moderating and mediating factors involved. If its legal status is changed and purity can be guaranteed, then the results of studies will count for something. Until then, it is just speculation.

[JCSkinner]

Still waiting for any prohibitionist to respond to this research:
Alcohol 'is more dangerous than ecstacy' - Telegraph
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1555582.ece
(Original paper available on The Lancet website for those with subscriptions.)
BBC Horizons documentary on the topic here: BBC - Horizon - Is alcohol worse than ecstasy?

[geruptheyard!]

However, as long as cannabis is illegal, effects based on purity, etc cannot be measured reliably. This is the main problem with all of these "studies". One cannot do a longterm study on the effects of cannabis because of the number of unmeasurable moderating and mediating factors involved. If its legal status is changed and purity can be guaranteed, then the results of studies will count for something. Until then, it is just speculation.

Alot of studies are based entirely on the puriest samples being developed and experimented on. That arguement is definiely rubbish. My weeds cleaner than his therefore im grand! Come off it!

The bodies make up is different, i dont get what he gets. Rubbish.

My main issue with this drugs and drugs in general is that when i meet old class amtes ( and im only 25) to many of them have mush for brains, yet can clearly quote chuacer, shakespere etc etc (chaucer is abit much really). Yet none of them can hold down a job or are even remotley happy with themselves. The simplicity of smoking a joint and retreating into a purple haze of junk food and couches is all to easy for them.

ou know its there you know it happens yet it hasnt happen you (yet) so you disagree that it could be possible.