Not all prostitution involves exploitation, as the term exploitation is normally understood.You will never be convinced that most prostitution involves exploitation because etc etc etc feminist polemical nonsense
If not all prostitution involves exploitation, your argument is bogus.
Rely on feminists to build their argument on sand.
You know there's actually a significant "right to prostitute" movement out there, don't you?I'm not talking about you Cato who at least is trying to find some middle ground. I'm there with you as well as East Coast Elitist who are struggling with nuance and not jumping up and down like the kids saying 'we won we won, you lose, we demand our right to use prostitutes'.
Incidentally, it is also led by feminists.
The Garrido story tells us that, tragically, sex slavery exists in the world. What is about to happen to Garrido and his wife is exactly what should happen to every person who enslaves a person, and has sex with her in the knowledge that she is coerced: jail for the remainder of life, with high likelihood of life being made unbearable by fellow inmates.
That has nothing to do with prostitution. It's about kidnapping and rape.
You can legalise prostitution while wiping out 100% of all instances of kidnapping. There would be a branch of the Gardaí whose job would be to pose as clients and inspect brothels. There would be lucrative rewards for everyone disclosing the whereabouts of unlicensed brothels.
You have the chance to wipe out the dangerous aspects of this industry. But there are plenty like FF who seem to really prefer the status quo, and propose ridiculous, unjust changes, presumably so that nothing is ever done.
The last thing FF wants to hear is a prostitute on RTE radio going, "I'm so glad they legalised and regulated it properly, my life is so much better now and I'm happy and earning loads of ching ching"
To be honest I don't think they'd really care.The last thing FF wants to hear is a prostitute on RTE radio going, "I'm so glad they legalised and regulated it properly, my life is so much better now and I'm happy and earning loads of ching ching"
But if FF were linked with libertarian prostitution reform, then their false social-conservative reputation would be undermined. They would be worried about that.
No Capitalist neo-liberal party - e.g. FF - can be socially-conservative.
So viewing it from a personal responsibility point of view as a potential user of such services (hypothetically speaking of course) how could you possibly know whether the person is trafficked or forced into prostitution through circumstance or threats?
I'm not sure that regulation has eliminated that possibility. I said on a previous post I'm open to the idea of harm reduction. I'm a pragmatist.
But as someone who tries to live a reasonably ethical life, I wonder how anyone could know for sure, that they are not involved in exploitation while using a prostitute?
Even in a regulated situation, you could imagine a pimp at home who demands the cash, could you not? Thats my question that is not answered by any of the 'prostitution can be cool' brigade. I'm wondering, even using that standard, how do you discern whether that is definitely the case?
I was giving out about the tendency to try and 'win' rather than discuss nuance.
Well I think if someone sees nothing to be ashamed about using a prostitute (and I'm not saying that they always or often should) why wouldn't they march for that 'right'?
I don't see the moral blackmail point - enlighten me if you have the interest/time?
It's obvious from your posts you have a serious problem with both women who act as prositutus and men who purchase their services. You reinfornce this position constantly in your posts rarely bothering to address whether any actual harm is being done.