Gormally, water flouride charges traitor

[Chief-TP]

the key question is

How much is this costing?


WE are a poor country.

Its costing us OUR HEALTH put a price on that!

[Ronanr]

Its costing us OUR HEALTH put a price on that!

But how much are we SAVING on dental-care costs?

Has anyone put a price on that?

[Chief-TP]

But how much are we SAVING on dental-care costs?

Has anyone put a price on that?

Dental care is part of health ya genius but you obviously put your financial status above your health ( i hope you havent any kids depending on you for heath care). If you read the link you'd have seen how it affects I.Q. and you are the living proof of that.

[Ronanr]

If you read the link you'd have seen how it affects I.Q. and you are the living proof of that.

I was brought up in a rural area with no flouride.

My I.Q. may be low, but you cannot blame flouride in my case anyway, old boy.


My dentists bills are high, though, perhaps I can blame lack of flouride on that?

[geruptheyard!]

I think your missing the point here.

Flouridisation of the water imporves the strength of teeth and gums and is the mian reason irish children and teenagers had teeth till about the 90 then we all became very adequate at brushing and the debate to remove this subsidance cost was risen.

The flouridisatiuon people tell us its good for our mouths, the anit people remind uis that once flouride leaves our system it never leaves our bodies it continously builds up in our bodies, though minute enouhg can be fouind present in the older generatinos and it has been linked to stuff like brian diseases and kidneys problems, all though this is rare too.

Its a catch 22 issue.

Flouride = good teeth for all, possible health issue in later life
no flouride = bad teeth for some, less health issue for later life

there is tonnes of stuff on the internet about thi go check it out

http://www.nofluoride.com/ the anti camp

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...oridated-water the yes camp

i know these are american sites but they are relevant to our issue here too !

[Ronanr]

And by the way, I have read some anti-fluoridation links in the past (in previous discussions with the likes of soubresants) and from what I can tell, very few if any of them have done a proper cost/benefit analysis of the verified and accepted benefits of fluoridation compared to the rather statistically minor harmful effects.

That might seem rather cold attitude to you, but it is how most scientists make up their minds about issues like this.

[Chief-TP]

And by the way, I have read some anti-fluoridation links in the past (in previous discussions with the likes of soubresants) and from what I can tell, very few if any of them have done a proper cost/benefit analysis of the verified and accepted benefits of fluoridation compared to the rather statistically minor harmful effects.

That might seem rather cold attitude to you, but it is how most scientists make up their minds about issues like this.

No it does'nt seem cold to me but it does seem rather stupid to be putting chemicals in our water if they are disputed by dentists and scientists as to the pro's and con's of the benefits. But interesting to see how you associate everything with cost and monetary value throughout the post.

[Chief-TP]

I read somewhere that Dublin and Sligo wanted to stop putting this into the water supply but were overruled by the Irish government!

Sounds familiar also, will try an get a link to it.

[The Field Marshal]

In an interview on prime time in feb 2007 gormally calls for flouride to be taken out of our water as it has been shown to be damaging in more than one area of health, and that we are the only european country to flouridate our water.. NOW THE TRAITOR WANTS TO CHARGE US FOR BEING POISONED and dumbed down..

If true,this story merely confirms how blind the Green party are to true science and demonstrates how little credibilty they have when it comes to their scaremongering on causes of global climate change.

1] It has been proven again & again that fluoridated water has immense benefits to teeth ,especially childrens teeth.All scientific studies carried out on flouridated versus non-flouridated populations have proved this.

2]The adverse side effects have been shown to be infinitesimally small versus the benefits

3] When Dublins water was 1st flouridated back in the 50,s or60,s\a test case was brought to the Supreme Court to prevent the flouridation of the water. Immense scientific expertise was brought to bear on the issue.
The court overwhelmingly came down on the pro-flouridation side.

For the greens to trying to re-open these scientifically settled issues just shows how much they will de-base true science for political ends.

[soubresauts]

1] It has been proven again & again that fluoridated water has immense benefits to teeth ,especially childrens teeth.All scientific studies carried out on flouridated versus non-flouridated populations have proved this.

You're completely mistaken. There is no good science behind fluoridation, not one high-quality study, zilch. Even Ben Goldacre, who normally supports government policy, noticed.

2]The adverse side effects have been shown to be infinitesimally small versus the benefits

Again, you're completely mistaken. Why don't you listen to the world's fluoride experts; they are all to be found in this list.

3] When Dublins water was 1st flouridated back in the 50,s or60,s\a test case was brought to the Supreme Court to prevent the flouridation of the water. Immense scientific expertise was brought to bear on the issue.
The court overwhelmingly came down on the pro-flouridation side.

The court case was the Ryan case, in the High Court in 1963 and, on appeal, in the Supreme Court in 1964. In the High Court, Judge Kenny, a non-scientist non-medic, chanced his arm and got it completely, cringe-inducingly wrong. It was the greatest blunder ever made in the Irish courts. The Supreme Court, spinelessly closing ranks, upheld Kenny's judgement.

You can read the gist of it here.