Where's our Libertarians?

[Pax]

Socially I'm an anarchist nutter!

No you're not. You can not possibly be an anarchist if you support Capitalism. Anarchists are opposed to Heirarchy, and capitalism creates nothing but heirarchy.

[quote:2cesnt6o]
1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.

Anarchy

An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists.

Capitalism

I believe in the voluntary rather than the coercive nature of government. These two definitions are far from incompatibale.

www.anti-state.com[/quote:2cesnt6o]

Thats anarcho-capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is the name of a political philosophy or a group of doctrines and attitudes that are centered on rejection of any form of compulsory government (such as the state)[1] and support its elimination.[2] The term "anarchism" is derived from the Greek αναρχία ("without archons" or "without rulers"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership are undesirable and should be abolished.

There are a variety of types and traditions of anarchism with various points of difference.[3][4] Other than being opposed to the state, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."[5] Preferred economic arrangements are one of the many areas of disagreement for anarchists.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_economics

Anarchist economics entails theory and practice relating to economic activity within the philosophical outlines of anarchism. Anarchists (most notably anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-communists) primarily oppose capitalism because its characteristic institutions promote and reproduce various forms of oppression, including private property, hierarchical production relations, collecting rents from private property, taking a profit in exchanges, and collecting interest on loans. Individualist anarchists are mutualist rather than collectivist or communist; they support possessive property rights but oppose usury - defining usury as profit from others' labor through rent, capital, interest, and wage-labor not paid "full" price. Finally, anarcho-capitalists fully support capitalism, but only the totally free-market laissez-faire kind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_capitalism

Though the libertarian socialist critique of capitalism is rooted in socialist theory, there are certain key distinctions in their critiques, which this article attempts to elucidate. Some anarchists, notably those in the anarcho-capitalist school, selectively agree or disagree with the following anti-capitalist arguments. However, despite the dictionary definition of "anarchism", anarcho-capitalists are not considered to be anarchists by those who argue that capitalism is inherently exploitative. Some of the critiques listed here may appear to mirror Marxist ideas but were independently authored by anarchist writers of the same era. On the other hand, some critiques of capitalism are completely unique to the anarchist movement.

The corporate sector is the most powerful aristocratic human force shaping the world. The main problem I have with anarchism is... how the strong dominate the weak. Under anarcho-capitalism thats all there is. How convenient...

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*The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly

[Akrasia]

Socially I'm an anarchist nutter!

No you're not. You can not possibly be an anarchist if you support Capitalism. Anarchists are opposed to Heirarchy, and capitalism creates nothing but heirarchy.

[quote:afjk59xq]
1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.

Anarchy

An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists.

Capitalism

I believe in the voluntary rather than the coercive nature of government. These two definitions are far from incompatibale.[/quote:afjk59xq]
Dictionaries are not the best place to go to find out the details of any political philosophy.
The abolition of central government is only one part of Anarchist beliefs.

Anarchism is against all kinds of hierarchical authority.

the consistent anarchist must oppose hierarchical relationships as well as the state. Whether economic, social or political, to be an anarchist means to oppose hierarchy. The argument for this (if anybody needs one) is as follows:

A hierarchy is a pyramidally-structured organisation composed of a series of grades, ranks, or offices of increasing power, prestige, and (usually) remuneration. Scholars who have investigated the hierarchical form have found that the two primary principles it embodies are domination and exploitation. For example, in his classic article "What Do Bosses Do?" (Review of Radical Political Economy, Vol. 6, No. 2), a study of the modern factory, Steven Marglin found that the main function of the corporate hierarchy is not greater productive efficiency (as capitalists claim), but greater control over workers, the purpose of such control being more effective exploitation.

Control in a hierarchy is maintained by coercion, that is, by the threat of negative sanctions of one kind or another: physical, economic, psychological, social, etc. Such control, including the repression of dissent and rebellion, therefore necessitates centralisation: a set of power relations in which the greatest control is exercised by the few at the top (particularly the head of the organisation), while those in the middle ranks have much less control and the many at the bottom have virtually none.

Since domination, coercion, and centralisation are essential features of authoritarianism, and as those features are embodied in hierarchies, all hierarchical institutions are authoritarian. Moreover, for anarchists, any organisation marked by hierarchy, centralism and authoritarianism is state-like, or "statist." And as anarchists oppose both the state and authoritarian relations, anyone who does not seek to dismantle all forms of hierarchy cannot be called an anarchist.

http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secA2.html#seca28

Libertarians sometimes call themselves 'Anarcho Capitalists' but their philosophy is miles away from anarchism.

[Nordy_Trinnerhead]

You accuse me of using a dictionary source and then with a straight face you yourself use wikipedia as a source? Are you an idiot by any chance?

[ryano]

You accuse me of using a dictionary source and then with a straight face you yourself use wikipedia as a source? Are you an idiot by any chance?

Who is that directed at? The poster who said that "dictionaries are not the best place to go to find out the details of any political philosophy" did not use Wikipedia as a source. The poster who used Wikipedia as a source did not mention your use of a dictionary source.

[Nordy_Trinnerhead]

Sorry my mistake. I'm a bit hungover.

[Gladstone]

-Private HealthCare (Including a&e)
-Private Education (at all levels)

-Abolition of nearly all except a small service tax (the benifits of which would be greatly offset by the exploding cost of living with fees for formally public and now private services)

-All public parks private land (expect to see apartment blocks on every one of them)
-No enviornmental regulations (hello smog we missed you)

-Everyone having the right to own a firearm


The governemnts only job being national security and law and order.
Why? because it wouldn't get any votes, nobody would vote for the above.