Michael D shows his claws ... respect!!!

[Pig Destroyer]

Not back to this again......

Saying, "The actions of the Israeli government prove that the Jews are the new nazis" is on one hand critisising the Israeli gov. and then it goes on to conclude that all Jews are Nazis. Calling all Jews Nazis is Not being critical of the Israeli gov. as they are 2 seperate things.

Calling Obama a n1gger is not critisism of the American government.

We know how the Nazis rule so we can make comparisons.
How is calling Obama a n1gger saying anything about how America is run?

Please, you know you have lost this pages ago, let it go.....

I haven't lost anything, you're the one trying to hide your logical fallacies behinds semantics and strawmen...
I would say you probably lost it the moment you denied that criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism and then had to invent an artifical semantic distinction to prop up this ill-thought-out statement.
Both statements are criticisms brought forward in an unacceptable way because they include racism / anti-semitism. What you are doing in splitting the statements into two parts - the criticism and the insult.
I have no problem with criticism of the Israeli government (Or Obama or any other government or politician) if they are brought forward without insults, racial or religious prejudices. But when they are, they need to be criticised. That's all I've been saying all the time here. Hard to believe it's so controversial.

[Pig Destroyer]

thb I really want to read the thread on NAMA so you will have to play with yourself and work out your own anger management/political/religious problems on your own.

What a loss to this discussion.
We need more people who butt into ongoing discussion slinging insults around and not offering a single word of substance. It's quite clear who has problems: such people, or those who patiently engage in lengthy debate with people they disagree with, without resorting to childich name calling.
The contributors on whatever thread you're heading off for can kiss sensible discussion goodbye.

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I haven't lost anything, you're the one trying to hide your logical fallacies behinds semantics and strawmen...
I would say you probably lost it the moment you denied that criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism and then had to invent an artifical semantic distinction to prop up this ill-thought-out statement.
Both statements are criticisms brought forward in an unacceptable way because they include racism / anti-semitism. What you are doing in splitting the statements into two parts - the criticism and the insult.
I have no problem with criticism of the Israeli government (Or Obama or any other government or politician) if they are brought forward without insults, racial or religious prejudices. But when they are, they need to be criticised. That's all I've been saying all the time here. Hard to believe it's so controversial.

OK lets finnish this.

You said, "I would say you probably lost it the moment you denied that criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism"

If you can copy and paste anywhere I wrote this - you win!

If not it just adds to your long lists of BS that you have been posting here and confirms we'll say that I have "won".

And I dont want you to copy and paste one of my sentences and say that in your opinion thats what I mean. You said I said that now prove it.

For the last time I will explain.

Calling all Jews Nazis is untrue and can be seen as anti semitisim. Comparing the Israeli gov. to the Nazis is NOT anti semitic. So if you put those two points into one sentence you dont get anti semitism hiding behind critisism of the Israeli gov. You get a person critisising the Government and also making an anti semitic remark. The fact they are in the same sentence makes no diffrence.

If I was to say I think the Irish gov are idiots (I really do) and that all Irish people smell of guinness and crap. NOBODY would say, Look, that person just used critisism of the Irish gov as a cover for anti Irishness.
That would be silly, would you agree?

[Pig Destroyer]

OK lets finnish this.

You said, "I would say you probably lost it the moment you denied that criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism"

Been there, done that.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...ml#post1958796

Criticism of the Israeli government in any form does not constitute anti Semitism!

If not it just adds to your long lists of BS

Oh dear. Resorting to insults. Poor show.

For the last time I will explain.

Calling all Jews Nazis is untrue and can be seen as anti semitisim. Comparing the Israeli gov. to the Nazis is NOT anti semitic. So if you put those two points into one sentence you dont get anti semitism hiding behind critisism of the Israeli gov. You get a person critisising the Government and also making an anti semitic remark. The fact they are in the same sentence makes no diffrence.

If I was to say I think the Irish gov are idiots (I really do) and that all Irish people smell of guinness and crap. NOBODY would say, Look, that person just used critisism of the Irish gov as a cover for anti Irishness.
That would be silly, would you agree?

Anyone who says such a thing would be revealing themselves to prejudiced against Irish people. And they would deserve to be pulled up for it. But judging by the form of most of the contributors on this thread, anyone who did so would be told to stop using perceived anti-irishness to deflect legitimate criticism of the Irish government.

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Been there, done that.
http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...ml#post1958796



Oh dear. Resorting to insults. Poor show.



Anyone who says such a thing would be revealing themselves to prejudiced against Irish people. And they would deserve to be pulled up for it. But judging by the form of most of the contributors on this thread, anyone who did so would be told to stop using perceived anti-irishness to deflect legitimate criticism of the Irish government.

Sorry, I presume it was a typo when you wrote "ever" instead of "never" when you wrote, "criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism".

I obviously wouldn't agree with that!

Regarding the bs, I'm sorry if that insulted you, but there have been some posts that haven't been exactly factual.

And you are right, anyone who says all Irish smell of Guinness and crap would show themselves to be prejudice against the Irish. But I would never say they are using criticism of the Irish gov as a cover for anti Irishness just because they mentioned the government in their rant.

[Pig Destroyer]

Sorry, I presume it was a typo when you wrote "ever" instead of "never" when you wrote, "criticism of Israel can ever be a front for anti-semitism".

I obviously wouldn't agree with that!

Regarding the bs, I'm sorry if that insulted you, but there have been some posts that haven't been exactly factual.

And you are right, anyone who says all Irish smell of Guinness and crap would show themselves to be prejudice against the Irish. But I would never say they are using criticism of the Irish gov as a cover for anti Irishness just because they mentioned the government in their rant.

Actually it wasn't I typo but never mind...
Before this goes into a second week, I would suggest we agree we've gone as far as we can go with this particular debate.... Let's leave it be, sit down and smoke a peace pipe.

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Actually it wasn't I typo but never mind...
Before this goes into a second week, I would suggest we agree we've gone as far as we can go with this particular debate.... Let's leave it be, sit down and smoke a peace pipe.

Couldnt agree more!

Enjoy the Weekend!