Can Socialism progress.

[Red Boyneside]

It's terrible when people don't agree with you, isn't it?

Its nothing to do with agreement, its to do with the fact that every time there is a thread that has anything to do with Socialism on here, people like you bring up the same old tired arguments that have been dealt with over and over and over to the point where I simply couldn't be arsed anymore. And I presume that's what you are intending to do because none of your posts have any substance. They just disrupt.

[manna]

Capitalism will be the foundation stone of the new socialist order!

[Red Boyneside]

Someone has to oppose an ideological foundation dedicated to the destruction of society.

That's a bit rich coming from a "libertarian" capitalist. You lot don't believe in society.

[CookieMonster]

Capitalism, the village idiot who's wealthy uncle has left some money to as a joke.

Mine makes immediate sense. And it's funny. Yours doesn't make sense at all, required a long and detailed explination inorder to grasp any understanding and turns out isn't all that funny in the end.

[CookieMonster]

Its nothing to do with agreement, its to do with the fact that every time there is a thread that has anything to do with Socialism on here, people like you bring up the same old tired arguments that have been dealt with over and over and over to the point where I simply couldn't be arsed anymore. And I presume that's what you are intending to do because none of your posts have any substance. They just disrupt.

And this folks is what we capitalists call a "cop out".

[Red Boyneside]

Mine makes immediate sense. And it's funny. Yours doesn't make sense at all, required a long and detailed explination inorder to grasp any understanding and turns out isn't all that funny in the end.

In other words mine has the complexity that yours lacks

[20000miles]

That's a bit rich coming from a "libertarian" capitalist. You lot don't believe in society.

Hey, if you wish to live in a voluntary communal society, I wish you all the best.

Where you get the idea that I don't beleive in society I have no idea.

[Cael]

Pretty much what I was going to say. Cael, do you expect the Joe to go door to door in Dublin 15 and invite people to join the Fingal Soviet? Do you really think that is the road to Socialism? And if so you are contradicting what you wrote in the "proud to be a communist" thread.

He doesnt need to go from door to door to do it. And it doesnt contradict what I said at all on the other thread. Im afraid European Socailists are geniuses at concocting reasons for doing nothing.

[CookieMonster]

That's a bit rich coming from a "libertarian" capitalist. You lot don't believe in society.

Now who is guilty of bringing up "the same old tired arguments that have been dealt with over and over and over"?

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

[Cael]

I admire Joe Higgin's immensely, but I think he would be better organizing a workers' revolt instead of criticizing the people who run the establishment. Surely it's like water off a duck's back to them. Will he change anything with his criticizing; if he does I think it will be minuscule.

Absolutely, a chara. When Joe lost his seat in LH the bourgeois politicians were very dissapointed, and said so. They thought he was great crack, and really added a bit of colour to the place.