An Bord Snip Nua wants 20,000 public sector job cuts.

[wexfordman]

Jesus you guys really are on another planet. I am an employee not a slave, I work for money not for fun or as a charity. If you cannot afford me that's your problem not mine.

Can you give me one example from history anywhere in the world where anything like this even happened?

By the way a 25% pay cut will save about 3 billion euro and thats not counting the damage done to consumer tax loses. In other words it it unrealistic and even if it happen it does not even come close to solving the problem with the public finances.

Everyone here is going to pay alot more tax, get alot less state benefits and suffer much poorer services. Even with all of that we still need an upturn to save the state finances.

What are you volunteering to do for the rest of us, a higher rate of tax perhaps?

Its no wonder our economy is ruined when you read the crazy takes on economics that people have in this country.

Beleive it or not, it is your problem if your employer (and your government) cannot afford to pay you, but keep denying it, it'l get you nowhere.

And the argument against cutting jobs/pay in the ps due to its impact on tax losses is crap. IN order to measure that impact you have to s prove that the m spending it on oney is not better off spent generating employment in other sectors, through infrastrucutre projects r&d etc etc, rather than spending it on public sector.

[X-ray]

It's your problem because if the government defaults on any of its debt the IMF will take over and they'll have a p45 on your desk by the end of the day.

The government claim it costs €60 to run the country but it only gets €35 billion in tax so the two biggest bills are wages and social welfare. They need to be radically reduced.

Every sector of the public sector from the President down need to accept massive cutbacks and if you don't then just get rid of a whole swath of you.

You all want to be paid the same way those in the private sector are well then take the same risk they do - the swing has gone way too far in the wrong direction in the public sector - you should be earning far less than the private sector because working in the public sector is meant to be about service and in ret you got a secure pension - that was the theory but we now know thanks to the corruption which flourishes under FF and which is aided and abetted by the votes it gets the whole system is now rotten to the core.

Time for radical attention and lots of pain and a monumental change in attitude about how public sector people do their jobs so lots of productivity tests and accountability and transparency and an end to thehundreds of scams that go on all over the place.

We are constantly told we have secure jobs and a minute later huge amounts of us will be getting our P45s soon , which is it?

My pension is promised to me by a failing state, I will also pay more into it that I get out. I would love to opt out of my pension and just get a PRSI pension like everyone else. Let us opt out of pension please.

[X-ray]

Beleive it or not, it is your problem if your employer (and your government) cannot afford to pay you,

Actually it is firstly their problem. They dont want to pay the bill but they still want the goods. It doesnt work like that I am afraid. If you have less money to spend we get less for it, its very simple and childish to think anything other than that will happen.

As far as I am concerned 25% less money = 25% less work. I have taken the pension levy thats my bit for free done.

I am willing to quit my pension if I am allowed if that helps?

My services will be required whether or not the government can afford to pay me, why would I accept a 25% pay cut? and spare me the patriotism thing, the country is run by crooks for god sake.

[Lloyd-Apjohn]

Actually it is firstly their problem. They dont want to pay the bill but they still want the goods. It doesnt work like that I am afraid. If you have less money to spend we get less for it, its very simple and childish to think anything other than that will happen.

As far as I am concerned 25% less money = 25% less work. I have taken the pension levy thats my bit for free done.

I am willing to quit my pension if I am allowed if that helps?

My services will be required whether or not the government can afford to pay me, why would I accept a 25% pay cut? and spare me the patriotism thing, the country is run by crooks for god sake.

What goods? No offence but at least 35% of those who work in the public sector are lazy f**kers and the only reason they get away with it is precisely cos they work in the public sector.

It is totally unaccpetable that someone in a secure job in the public sector earns more than someone doing a similar job in the private secotr and that they have a secure pension too.

I don't like Michael O'Leary but let him into the Civil Service for 6 months and he'd get you sorted out once and for all.

[X-ray]

What goods? No offence but at least 35% of those who work in the public sector are lazy f**kers and the only reason they get away with it is precisely cos they work in the public sector.

It is totally unaccpetable that someone in a secure job in the public sector earns more than someone doing a similar job in the private secotr and that they have a secure pension too.

I don't like Michael O'Leary but let him into the Civil Service for 6 months and he'd get you sorted out once and for all.

sure sack that 35% then and you wont have a problem.

If you dont want my labour it wont make any difference if I withdraw it then?

You pay me to work, if you pay me less I am working less.

[wexfordman]

sure sack that 35% then and you wont have a problem.

If you dont want my labour it wont make any difference if I withdraw it then?

You pay me to work, if you pay me less I am working less.

It has to be said X-Ray, while I understand its tough to deal with pay cuts etc, and I dont actually blame you for being angry, you can be angry and face reality at the same time.

If I said to my emplyers you pay me less, I work less, then my salary would pretty much drop down to about the same level as the dole if you know what I mean.

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X-RAY - quote [COLOR="Red"]"the country is run by crooks for god sake."[/COLOR]

Is it not the top civil / public servants that run the country ?

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Read my lips - "no new taxes"

Just an increase in the old one`s................

10% INCREASE IN PENSION LEVY WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT

[dresden8]

Anyway, back on topic.

Round off public servants to 400,000.

Say 1/40th retire each year that's 10,000 through natural wasteage alone.

Bog all contracts are being renewed, not to mention the early retirement package and the incentivised career break.

Anybody know 20,000 down from which reference point?

20,000 should be very do-able without too much pain.

[dresden8]

X-RAY - quote [COLOR="Red"]"the country is run by crooks for god sake."[/COLOR]

Is it not the top civil / public servants that run the country ?

No, they administer the country. The ********************wit public kept giving them FF as bosses.