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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvio Dante View Post
    Ojnce the redundancies are voluntary and negotiated with the Unions we, employees, will take on the massive extra workload once compensated adequately...
    I love your optimism. Much more likely that post Lisbon the receiver comes in in terms of the ECB or the IMF. Then its 35% standard rate of tax, 65% top rate, 10% cut in welfare payments, compulsory lay offs in public sector especially at the relatively overpaid clerical end.

    The cabal of bankers, builders and wasters in the paper pushing part of public serivce will be made to pay. Scams such as paying teachers twice for substitution will be ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvio Dante View Post
    Ojnce the redundancies are voluntary and negotiated with the Unions we, employees, will take on the massive extra workload once compensated adequately...
    Your becomming more troll like by the day!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordman View Post
    Ojnce the redundancies are voluntary and negotiated with the Unions we, employees, will take on the massive extra workload once compensated adequately...
    Your becomming more troll like by the day!!
    Na, he's not a troll.

    Those posts are actually generated by the new-fangled CPSUbot.

    It scans all posts for any mention of PS sick leave, redundancies, flexi-time, redployment etc. Then auto-generates a reply formed from a random combination of stock phrases:
    • "not one cent from my mearge wages"
    • "I provide excellent value for money"
    • "Gilmore disrespected my picket"
    • "Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move."
    That last one is addressed to Mr. Begg, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digout View Post
    They play solitaire now. Get the pop corn out, FF have to take on the unions or the country sinks....
    How comeyou dont want them to take on the bankers? Surely all bank officials from branch manager upwards should be fired to bring back confidence to the banking sector. Instead we have less than 10 resignations! Yet you want to fire 10,000 nurses...unbelieveable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    The key thing is how these cuts are to be achieved

    Redundancies are far too expensive

    I know of several (smart) companies that managed to achieve cuts of order 10-20% over the past 2 years through natural attrition

    However public sector workers rarely leave their jobs except through retirement... also for cuts through natural attrition to work : remaining workers will need to be flexible and accept redeployment...

    To deal with these people is going to be a political nightmare...

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    Exactly! excellent post. A big cull of Public Sector jobs will have a negative effect on the economy and will cost us too much at once. Thre needs to be a gradual cull and perhaps only upto 5,000 in total.

    As we need to start dealing with reality in this country, just like the Oireachtas, we know that they are not going to cut the numbers. So it essentially boils down to sweeping reform of the Public and Civil Service. Im an ex-Civil Service employee and I will say at first hand that it is a different world and that there is no way my job then could be benchmarked against what I do now in the Private Sector!
    So - benchmarking needs to be implemented again to bring down the Public Sector Wage bill, in line with the cuts in salaries and perks with all of us in the private sector, who btw work way longer hours on average!
    On top of that, the whole service has to be reformed. There needs to be more accountablility, transparency and efficiency and less waste, nepotism and institutionalism!
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    We, in the CPSU, will co-operate with the Dept of Finance once we receive the respect our mandate deserves and compulsary redundancies and reductions in our salaries are off the table...

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    Just fire 15,000 people in the public sector over night and let them sue. Let the rest go on strike. Then recruit people from the private sector off the dole on temp contracts to do the work.

    Dramatic times require dramatic measures and the social partners and the public sector are just as corrupt as the rest of the political or legal or business or professional system in Ireland. No sector of Irish life has any right to claim they do not bleed the system dry the same way all the others do.

    If the public sector were so noble they'd have volunteered for a 25% pay cut net and a stop to payments into pension funds immediately. Regardless of whether others were taking their share of the pain which we know they are not - Enda Kenny doesn't even have the guts to push through a mandatory rule that all FG reps take a pay cut and stop claiming all 'expenses' and 'allowances' - they earn enough to pay their petrol and accomdodation costs as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd-Apjohn View Post


    If the public sector were so noble they'd have volunteered for a 25% pay cut net and a stop to payments into pension funds immediately.
    Jesus you guys really are on another planet. I am an employee not a slave, I work for money not for fun or as a charity. If you cannot afford me that's your problem not mine.

    Can you give me one example from history anywhere in the world where anything like this even happened?

    By the way a 25% pay cut will save about 3 billion euro and thats not counting the damage done to consumer tax loses. In other words it it unrealistic and even if it happen it does not even come close to solving the problem with the public finances.

    Everyone here is going to pay alot more tax, get alot less state benefits and suffer much poorer services. Even with all of that we still need an upturn to save the state finances.

    What are you volunteering to do for the rest of us, a higher rate of tax perhaps?

    Its no wonder our economy is ruined when you read the crazy takes on economics that people have in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-ray View Post
    Jesus you guys really are on another planet. I am an employee not a slave, I work for money not for fun or as a charity. If you cannot afford me that's your problem not mine.

    Can you give me one example from history anywhere in the world where anything like this even happened?

    By the way a 25% pay cut will save about 3 billion euro and thats not counting the damage done to consumer tax loses. In other words it it unrealistic and even if it happen it does not even come close to solving the problem with the public finances.

    Everyone here is going to pay alot more tax, get alot less state benefits and suffer much poorer services. Even with all of that we still need an upturn to save the state finances.

    What are you volunteering to do for the rest of us, a higher rate of tax perhaps?

    Its no wonder our economy is ruined when you read the crazy takes on economics that people have in this country.
    It's your problem because if the government defaults on any of its debt the IMF will take over and they'll have a p45 on your desk by the end of the day.

    The government claim it costs €60 to run the country but it only gets €35 billion in tax so the two biggest bills are wages and social welfare. They need to be radically reduced.

    Every sector of the public sector from the President down need to accept massive cutbacks and if you don't then just get rid of a whole swath of you.

    You all want to be paid the same way those in the private sector are well then take the same risk they do - the swing has gone way too far in the wrong direction in the public sector - you should be earning far less than the private sector because working in the public sector is meant to be about service and in ret you got a secure pension - that was the theory but we now know thanks to the corruption which flourishes under FF and which is aided and abetted by the votes it gets the whole system is now rotten to the core.

    Time for radical attention and lots of pain and a monumental change in attitude about how public sector people do their jobs so lots of productivity tests and accountability and transparency and an end to thehundreds of scams that go on all over the place.

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