Civil Partnership Bill

[parakeet]

Civil Partnership Bill published today:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...409/b4409d.pdf
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...4409d-memo.pdf


Any thoughts?

[joemomma]

Civil Partnership Bill published today:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...409/b4409d.pdf
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...4409d-memo.pdf


Any thoughts?

Loads of threads about this already.

[DeGaulle 2.0]

It seems extremely complicated.

Would it not be simpler to say:-

1. The state shall maintain a registar of civil partnerships.

2. A civil partnership may be entered into by any 2 people of who are not eleigible to marry because they are of the same sex.

3. All the rights and duties of a married couple to each other shall apply equally to civil partners.

4. A civil partnership shall have exactly the same rights, duties and privileges as a married couple with the following exceptions:

4.1. Civil partnership shall not have any extra status in relation to the adoption or fostering of children (possibly this could be changed in the future but the issue of children is obviously different for civil partners and married couples)

4.2 ?

[parakeet]

4. A civil partnership shall have exactly the same rights, duties and privileges as a married couple with the following exceptions:

4.1. Civil partnership shall not have any extra status in relation to the adoption or fostering of children (possibly this could be changed in the future but the issue of children is obviously different for civil partners and married couples)

4.2 ?

By what objective assessment would you believe that married couples and civil partners were so different that one would be allowed apply to adopt, whilst the other would be debarred autonmatically?

[parakeet]

Loads of threads about this already.

No there are not.

There is a thread, which confuses civil partnerships with co-habitee redress and a second thread, which talks about something called the 'gay agenda'.

There are older threads published wondering when a bill would be published and what it should contain. These are obsolete now that we have a bill.

This is a new topic therefore.

[DeGaulle 2.0]

By what objective assessment would you believe that married couples and civil partners were so different that one would be allowed apply to adopt, whilst the other would be debarred autonmatically?

I don't mean that civil partners would not be allowed to adopt - just that if an adoption agency preferred to help married couples that that would still be legal.

[joemomma]

No there are not.

There is a thread, which confuses civil partnerships with co-habitee redress and a second thread, which talks about something called the 'gay agenda'.

There are older threads published wondering when a bill would be published and what it should contain. These are obsolete now that we have a bill.

This is a new topic therefore.

Fair enough, knock yourself out.

[parakeet]

I don't mean that civil partners would not be allowed to adopt - just that if an adoption agency preferred to help married couples that that would still be legal.

And why would they prefer to help married couples?

[Baron von Biffo]

Civil Partnership Bill published today:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...409/b4409d.pdf
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...4409d-memo.pdf


Any thoughts?

It shouldn't be a civil partnership bill it should be a full equality bill that removes the irrational ban on gay marriage.

[DeGaulle 2.0]

And why would they prefer to help married couples?

Here is a list of adoption agencies: List of State (Health Board) & Private Adoption Agencies in the Republic of Ireland
I think that the names of many of these societies answers your question.

I imagine that most girls and women who give up their babies for adoption would prefer that their child be brought up in a "traditional" family. What do you think?

Perhaps my article 4.1 could be phrased better but surely it is better to have a simple honest piece of legislation than a huge convoluted document that effectively says the same thing.