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Thread: Gormley: The Minister Who Brought Back Rates

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    Gormley: The Minister Who Brought Back Rates

    It'll be €200 a year in a couple of weeks.

    By the time budget 2010 comes around, it'll be €300, and once the IMF come knocking/budget 2010b, it'll be €500; with €200 on the first home to boot.

    This property tax payable to the local council is, for all intents and purposes, the bringing back of rates.

    Oh, and water charges are inevitable. This is all so predictable. The fúckers.

    Why can't people live in peace?

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    They'll be a long time waiting before they get either of those out of my house.
    Yet to pay them a cent in bin charges they're certainly not getting water charges or rates.
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    It'll be a % by the budget.

    Then we'll see some interesting changed in peoples value of their house.

    About f**king time. We might have saved ourselves some of the really high prices of houses if they had this in 10 years so.

    Our tax base has been shattered. They cut income taxes too much and relied on consumption taxes as well as starving local authorities of funding.

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    Re-introduction of rates is inevitable. The tax base relied on houses being sold. Those days have now gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixIreland View Post
    Yet to pay them a cent in bin charges they're certainly not getting water charges or rates.
    That's big of you. Take your share of a finite resource and let others pay for you. You're a true socialist, and a democrat to boot.
    A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

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    I would actually support their introduction if they were revenue neutral and collected and spent by local councils. Local councils are a bit of a joke without a source of revenue. Rate abolition made councils almost entirely dependent on national government.

    Most developed countries have a property tax, Water is a scarce resource (and will become more so in the future), and disposal of rubbish costs money.

    I for one have little difficulty paying these in principle, but I would have issue with them being introduced as just an extra tax to the national exchequer.

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    Gormley = FF's Lackey.

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    the local authorities must be running out of cash following the housing crash.
    Didn't FF abolish rates originally back in the late 70's after promising the divil and all in their 1977 electoral manifesto. They claimed that the local authorities would be funded from central government instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump View Post
    That's big of you. Take your share of a finite resource and let others pay for you. You're a true socialist, and a democrat to boot.
    I pay taxes already (or did when I worked), and I'm not paying a private company extortionate money to perform a public service thats been free since the 19th century.
    We recycle everything, so it's not finite.
    I'd venture to say I use a lot less resources than the prats down the road with their hummer who do pay them.
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    I have a share in a business and we have to pay rates and water charges, the joys of doing business in Ireland. The tax burden has to be spread and everyone will have to contribute. I've no problem on a tax on second homes, I don't own one! I would rather see water charges before rates on family homes. At least I'd be paying for something I use. Contrary to popular belief, water is not free.

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