Harney"Hospitals choosing the cuts"-Time to Go!!

[loaded32]

Mary Harney stood up in The Dáil last night and proceeded to blame Hosptial Staff and management for the cuts that were taking place in the most sensitive of service provisions such as care and surgery for children with severe conditions. Minister Harney went on to say that these decisions were being made by Hospital management in an attempt to sensationalise the issues in order to attain extra media attention!!

So Mary Harney has oficially now said that the ward closures, theatre closures in Crumlin etc are becuase the Hospital wants to get in the papers and on the radio more!!

Even if she was the best Health Minister we have ever had and had our Health Service in fine shape (the opposite being the actual case of course) , she has to GO after these comments! They are scandalous, outrageous and a discharge of her responsibilities!

GO!!!! NOW!!!

[smitchy2]

I will give Harney some credit in admitting who has the power taking actions in hospital.
Because she certainly does not. The government is trying to remove itself from responsibility.

The most alarming thing that she said about funding for Crumlin since 2004 “75% of it has gone on additional wages” WTF.

This is why cuts must happen in consultant & doctor wages and overtime should be prohibited.

These hospitals need real managers who take care of patients first in the most efficient way and take care of consultants/doctors and nurses second.

[zakalwe1]

aparently senior regs earn more (under the new overtime rules) than consultants.

i heard of one senior reg who took home E18k net (back in late 2007) in a single month.

[loaded32]

I will give Harney some credit in admitting who has the power taking actions in hospital.
Because she certainly does not. The government is trying to remove itself from responsibility.

The most alarming thing that she said about funding for Crumlin since 2004 “75% of it has gone on additional wages” WTF.

This is why cuts must happen in consultant & doctor wages and overtime should be prohibited.

These hospitals need real managers who take care of patients first in the most efficient way and take care of consultants/doctors and nurses second.

I heard that too! 74% I think. But basically it was her and her department who sanctioned this amount of wage increases/salaries expenses!!! She went on to say how we are spending 40% of our Net Tax take on our Health System so she cant be knocked for that. The fact that we are speding soooo much and the system is still so ******************** and outdated surely only highlights even more the failures of her policies and the HSE!!! Like everything else associated with this government, it just shows it has been Wreckless spending with no cohesion or real purpose.

So she was cribbing about this too while only 2 months ago signing off on a 60k increase in consultants salaries!! WTF is right!

[loaded32]

aparently senior regs earn more (under the new overtime rules) than consultants.

i heard of one senior reg who took home E18k net (back in late 2007) in a single month.

Apologies for my ignorance, but could you explain what the difference is between a registrar and senior registrar? Thanks

[Rebel CNC]

I will give Harney some credit in admitting who has the power taking actions in hospital.
Because she certainly does not. The government is trying to remove itself from responsibility.

The most alarming thing that she said about funding for Crumlin since 2004 “75% of it has gone on additional wages” WTF.

This is why cuts must happen in consultant & doctor wages and overtime should be prohibited.

These hospitals need real managers who take care of patients first in the most efficient way and take care of consultants/doctors and nurses second.

As with every area of government under benchmarking Bertie and Biffo, the billions of extra funding put into health service has been wasted on overstaffing, overtime and the continuance of working practices that have the employee's interest at heart rather than those of the patient!

Not sure about Crumlin but if anything like main Cork hospitals, the HSE bluffers should be stood down and professional managers should go through every roster, from consultants to cleaning staff, with a slash hook!

Harney is absolutely correct but as Minister her responsibility is to drive it through.

[spidermom]

I will give Harney some credit in admitting who has the power taking actions in hospital.
Because she certainly does not. The government is trying to remove itself from responsibility.

The most alarming thing that she said about funding for Crumlin since 2004 “75% of it has gone on additional wages” WTF.

This is why cuts must happen in consultant & doctor wages and overtime should be prohibited.

These hospitals need real managers who take care of patients first in the most efficient way and take care of consultants/doctors and nurses second.

........Day case surgery however, has gone up by 30% so they are following Government policy. Total bed days used gone up by 14%, outpatient activity and patients seen gone up by 23%. Theatre procedures gone from 10,000 to 13,000 that is 34%. ICU bed days gone up from 4,600 to 5,600 - 21%. So at every level of measure for efficiency and increased activity and greater emphasis on day cases this hospital has done all that it has been asked and it did that within a €12 million increased budget afforded to them.......

Would you mind telling me HOW this increase in care to sick children can be carried out without medical and nursing staff?????....

...........There are 63 wholetime equivalent consultants in Crumlin which represent 3.7% of the workforce. Of NCHDs there are 103 or 6%. Nurses 707 - 43%. Management/administration represents 13.6% and this compares very favourably with any of the hospitals in Dublin or indeed abroad, which generally are at 16%............

aparently senior regs earn more (under the new overtime rules) than consultants.

i heard of one senior reg who took home E18k net (back in late 2007) in a single month.

Senior Regs should just go home and leave the medical decisions to junior Docs???????

When on call for the weekend they start Friday morning and finish Monday evening!!...they deserve every penny they get!...and I for one Don't want to be solely looked after by Junior Docs

[powderfinger]

Mary Harney stood up in The Dáil last night and proceeded to blame Hosptial Staff and management for the cuts that were taking place in the most sensitive of service provisions such as care and surgery for children with severe conditions. Minister Harney went on to say that these decisions were being made by Hospital management in an attempt to sensationalise the issues in order to attain extra media attention!!

So Mary Harney has oficially now said that the ward closures, theatre closures in Crumlin etc are becuase the Hospital wants to get in the papers and on the radio more!!

Even if she was the best Health Minister we have ever had and had our Health Service in fine shape (the opposite being the actual case of course) , she has to GO after these comments! They are scandalous, outrageous and a discharge of her responsibilities!

GO!!!! NOW!!!

Harney's observation last night in the Daíl was a desperate assertion.
In her words.

"I find it strange that when we ask hospitals to make efficiency savings, some hospitals decide that the most sensitive area is the area that should be cut."

[odie1kanobe]

Harney's observation last night in the Daíl was a desperate assertion.
In her words.

"I find it strange that when we ask hospitals to make efficiency savings, some hospitals decide that the most sensitive area is the area that should be cut."

I thought it was a pretty good statement on the policies run by the management of the hospitals.

If they cut stuff that are non essential to the running of the hospital then no one notices or cares.

IF they threaten to cut the sensitive areas and the ones that the News media are interested in then all of a sudden its the ministers fault.

How dare the minister ask them to make savings as it means cuts to essential services when reality is the hospital management are the ones making the cut decisions.

[Libero]

Harney's observation last night in the Daíl was a desperate assertion.
In her words.

"I find it strange that when we ask hospitals to make efficiency savings, some hospitals decide that the most sensitive area is the area that should be cut."

First up, I think Harney should have left the job a while back.

But she may well have a point about how hospital management behave; management may well be afraid that if they absorb cuts without protest or ill-effects, much more will come and it will suggest they were running poorly-administered, wasteful hospitals.

Of course, if she's right, it raises all sorts of other questions like how the Minister can hope to do her job while also pleading that she's helpless, and whether it might even be morally justified for managers to put sick patients in the firing line if it results in the government holding back on spending cuts.

Anyhow, Vladimir Putin used to regularly put himself forward for public Q&As, where he was asked how and why the Russian state failed so badly on service provision, corruption and many other headings. He would regularly reply, in a matter of fact tone, that in a state with a poor history of effective governance, lots of bureaucrats thought they called the shots but he was centralising power and hoped things would improve.
Many, many Russians thought this was an honest answer from a decent politician and he remained hugely popular, even as improvements were slow to come.