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    Frozen embryo judgement

    "The High Court has ruled that a husband involved in a row over the fate of three frozen embryos did not give consent for them to be implanted in his wife."

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    A victory for common sense - and a welcome defeat for mad scary-eyed ex-wives everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InkyFinger
    A victory for common sense - and a welcome defeat for mad scary-eyed ex-wives everywhere.
    Hell hath no fury.............

    Hoo Ray for common sense............
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    InkyFinger wrote
    A victory for common sense - and a welcome defeat for mad scary-eyed ex-wives everywhere.
    Celebration is a bit premature--The constitutional point has to be dealt with yet. And then the appeal -- and maybe Europe.
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    Yep the really controversial part of the case has not yet begun. HE's won on the private law contract issue but now the court gets to decide a few small questions like:

    Are unimplanted embyos life?
    Does such life have a positive right to be implanted into a womb?

    Not exactly light weight stuff at all. Not sure whether she's arguing any convention rights. If she isn't it won't be heard before the ECHR.
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    Tricky stuff. An agreement was made. Time passes, does the agreement hold? Perhaps generousity of spirit might suggest that it should be open to revision, but law - and the necessity to uphold an individuals rights - would suggest the opposite.

    A lesson for anyone undertaking these sort of procedures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldbystorm
    Tricky stuff. An agreement was made. Time passes, does the agreement hold? Perhaps generousity of spirit might suggest that it should be open to revision, but law - and the necessity to uphold an individuals rights - would suggest the opposite.
    Has any agreement been broken?

    The decision today would indicate not, wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldbystorm
    Tricky stuff. An agreement was made. Time passes, does the agreement hold? Perhaps generousity of spirit might suggest that it should be open to revision, but law - and the necessity to uphold an individuals rights - would suggest the opposite.
    Has any agreement been broken?

    The decision today would indicate not, wouldn't it?
    No, absolutely true.
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    This is an area where we REALLY need legislation. I just finished studying medical law, which is a very interesting subject but is just so uncertain, usually an answer entails a description of UK law and questioning whether it would apply here.

    Obviously it's very new, but it's an incredably harrowing process very often, so should be top of the agenda in terms of regulation.

    As regards this case, it will do exactly as some pro-lifers feared with the referendum in 2001, i.e. decide on the constitiutionality of the morning after pill. If it is found that the pre-implantation constitutes life, then that would clear the way for a constitutional challenge to the morning after pill, whileif it finds that PreImplanation Embryo is not life, then the constitutionality of the MAP is assured.

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    This case is a perfect demonstration of the inhumanity of IVF.
    Parents, of either sex don't own embryos and oughtn't to have a say over their right to life.
    The agreement at the time of the IVF was fundamentally unconstitutional in my view, pre-supposing as it did, the right of either parent to deny the embryos life.

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