Pope to apologise for child abuse

[IAMGAYGETOVERIT]

For the last few days the media has had stories about the Irish hierarchy visting the senior curia in Rome to brief them on the Ryan report and the fact that Mister Ratsinger aka Pope may make an apology and meet the victims in due course.

Am I the only one who is incredulous that the Pope did not make an immediate and effusive apology the day after the report issued?? And do people raped and abused by priests,brothers and nuns really want to meet the man who represents this evil?

[TradCat]

Unlike a lot of you I have respect for the Pope. I have read a lot of his work and understand where he is coming from.

But in this case words are not enough. We can only measure the sincerity of the Church on this subject in euro. The way I learned it it's not enough to be sorry. You have to make restitution.

My continued membership of the Church depends on the outcome. I haven't darkened the door of a Church since the Ryan report and I won't until they do the right thing.

[jimmyjames]

For the last few days the media has had stories about the Irish hierarchy visting the senior curia in Rome to brief them on the Ryan report and the fact that Mister Ratsinger aka Pope may make an apology and meet the victims in due course.

Am I the only one who is incredulous that the Pope did not make an immediate and effusive apology the day after the report issued?? And do people raped and abused by priests,brothers and nuns really want to meet the man who represents this evil?

I don't speak for the Pope but I would hazard a guess that he doesn't "represent this evil". He is head of the Catholic Church sure but I think you're getting your leather chaps in a bit of a knot.

[amblincork]

For the last few days the media has had stories about the Irish hierarchy visting the senior curia in Rome to brief them on the Ryan report and the fact that Mister Ratsinger aka Pope may make an apology and meet the victims in due course.

Am I the only one who is incredulous that the Pope did not make an immediate and effusive apology the day after the report issued?? And do people raped and abused by priests,brothers and nuns really want to meet the man who represents this evil?

No you are the voice of sanity. Jophn Paul 11 and Ratzinger(Beneidct) knew for decades that priests were abusing and raping kids and lkept it under wraps.
The UN should be mandated to carry out an investigation on this criminal conspiracy.

[jimmyjames]

No you are the voice of sanity. Jophn Paul 11 and Ratzinger(Beneidct) knew for decades that priests were abusing and raping kids and lkept it under wraps.
The UN should be mandated to carry out an investigation on this criminal conspiracy.

Evidence for this?

[amblincork]

Unlike a lot of you I have respect for the Pope. I have read a lot of his work and understand where he is coming from.

But in this case words are not enough. We can only measure the sincerity of the Church on this subject in euro. The way I learned it it's not enough to be sorry. You have to make restitution.

My continued membership of the Church depends on the outcome. I haven't darkened the door of a Church since the Ryan report and I won't until they do the right thing.

I had been regularly bring my son to mass and was occassionally if I should not make the effort to try to renew my own religous faith which had evaporated over the years. The Fern's Report brought an end to that; if there is a God, the people running the Church have nothing to do with him.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Evidence for this?

Ratzinger's 1982 letter to Bishops, signed under his name, on taking over at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (aka Office of the Holy Inquisition) in 1981.

The letter reiterated that Crimens Solicittationis issued in 1962 under John XIII's signature was Canon Law. Within Crimen is the reasoning behind 'silencing' members of the church on the issue in full knowledge of the emerging abuse scandals in North America and elsewhere.

It also contains the instructions whereby an ecclesiastical court can hear the confession of a child abuser/clerical rapist. It contains no instruction to report anything to secular authorities.

Here is a later letter issue when he was Head of the CDF, reserving cases to his office and his office only on pain of excommunication. This was signed by him on 18th May 2001.

Bishop Accountability

He knew there was a serious problem with abuse issues at least as far back as 1982 and it is highly unlikely that he had never heard of the problem before then.

He's spent twenty years trying to keep the issue out of public hands.

[jimmyjames]

Ratzinger's 1982 letter to Bishops, signed under his name, on taking over at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (aka Office of the Holy Inquisition) in 1981.

The letter reiterated that Crimens Solicittationis issued in 1962 under John XIII's signature was Canon Law. Within Crimen is the reasoning behind 'silencing' members of the church on the issue in full knowledge of the emerging abuse scandals in North America and elsewhere.

It also contains the instructions whereby an ecclesiastical court can hear the confession of a child abuser/clerical rapist. It contains no instruction to report anything to secular authorities.

Here is a later letter issue when he was Head of the CDF, reserving cases to his office and his office only on pain of excommunication. This was signed by him on 18th May 2001.

Bishop Accountability

He knew there was a serious problem with abuse issues at least as far back as 1982 and it is highly unlikely that he had never heard of the problem before then.

He's spent twenty years trying to keep the issue out of public hands.

Fair enough.

[oscartango]

Why should the Pope apologise ?

Sure, haven't the Catholic authorities been telling us that the Vatican has nothing to do with this scandal and that it cannot be sued as the "Head Office".

If the Pope apologises, it's a legal admission of culpability and then we can proceed to sue the Vatican.

Bring it on !

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Why should the Pope apologise ?

Sure, haven't the Catholic authorities been telling us that the Vatican has nothing to do with this scandal and that it cannot be sued as the "Head Office".

If the Pope apologises, it's a legal admission of culpability and then we can proceed to sue the Vatican.

Bring it on !

The Religious Orders are not under the authority of Irish Bishops but they definitely are under the authority of the Head Office which is most definitely in Rome and forms part of the catholic church.

Its even mentioned in the Ryan report itself. I'd go after the Church itself, with Orders as co-defendant and cut the Irish church out of it altogether except where they have covered up for priests.

It would be easy for a barrister to prove the relationship and submission of the orders to Rome going back to the 19th century (all documented) and then hammer the church (NOT the Vatican state) in an international court, maybe even at the Hague.

As far as plausible deniability goes, the CC haven't a prayer.