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    Remove the Religious Orders from our education System

    The Ryan report on the holocaust of irish children by those charged with their care should now be the final push needed to forever remove the Religious Orders from their stranglehold on the Irish education sysytem. The Government shoul set a deadline to take over these schools and put them in state care to ensure all children get a full balanced education on all topics from evolution to sexuality.

    We have nothing to be greatful to the Church for in terms of education as in reality they abused their position of authority. It is no better than thanking a parent for feeding a child that they also molest.

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    My sister was basically forced to have her son baptized because the only primary school in the village is run by the church and they are known to resist enrolling kids who are not baptized. I agree. Get them out of the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asi-Irish View Post
    My sister was basically forced to have her son baptized because the only primary school in the village is run by the church and they are known to resist enrolling kids who are not baptized. I agree. Get them out of the system.
    My 8 year old nephew was told by the school priest that Adam & Eve rather than evolution was where mankind came from and to forget Darwin nonsense!!!!

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    I agree with the OP.

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    Definitely.
    Get them out.
    Why should my (non-christian) children have to imbibe their stultifying repressive "ethos" in a "national" school?

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    The fall in vocations has all but removed religious orders from front line teaching and most supposedly "Catholic" secondary schools are staffed with lay people from the principal on down.
    It is in the area of primary school education that the Catholic Church still wields most influence with most state funded primary schools having the local parish priest as its school manager, leaving very little choice for those who wish a nondenominational education for their offspring.

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    Agreed. Introduce a "Moral Code and ethics" teaching instead.

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    The church have so much influence thta our "Equality Legislation" specifically does not apply to staff of faith schools... in essence that means gay people,unmarried living together,children outside of marriage ,non creationists etc can be fired if the local priest/bishop wants too....this is in 2009!!!!!

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    Funny thing is parents still fall over themselves to send their children to the local secondary school, (especially fee paying ones mostly run by religious orders) rather than community schools and VECs.

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    It's not funny at all. It's a f*cking disgrace that taxpayers money is being used to support these fee-paying schools which perpetuate the class divisions in Irish society.

    Christians my arse!

    Fintan O'Toole points out that the Sisters of Mercy, who ran the Goldenbridge home, and still refuse to acknowledge the extent of abuse that occured there, are still in control of the Mater Hospital:

    What, precisely, do we do with all those religious congregations who are apparently incapable of understanding the crimes for which they are institutionally responsible? To understand the import of this question, let’s take a concrete example.

    The State is committed to building a single national children’s hospital. That hospital is to be part of the Mater Misericordiae complex in Dublin. Both the Mater and the national children’s hospital will therefore be under the control of the Sisters of Mercy. An absolute majority of the members of the private limited company that owns the Mater and the children’s hospital are members of the order. Both hospitals must be run “in accordance with the mission and traditions of the Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy in Ireland”.

    Those traditions have many sides, good and bad, but they unquestionably include the running of an institution (Goldenbridge) where children were systematically beaten, emotionally abused and enslaved. They also include the Cappoquin Industrial School in which a “highly dysfunctional management”, characterised by alcohol abuse and “inappropriate relationships between senior personnel”, continued well into the 1980s.

    Even more to the point, those traditions include a culture of denying and minimising abuse when it was revealed. Staggeringly, even after listening to the testimonies of survivors of Goldenbridge before the Ryan commission, the provincial of the order, Sr Helena O’Donoghue, told the commission that she did not accept that there had been either extreme violence used against children or “daily unjustified physical abuse”. She continued to insist that Goldenbridge was a “reasonably effective and caring institution”.

    On the practice of child slave labour at Goldenbridge, with children from the age of seven forced, on pain of beatings, to make 60 Rosaries a day (90 on Saturdays) for a commercial manufacturer, Sr Helena described it “as a pleasant activity to while away the time, which was enjoyed by the children and often done to music from the radio”.

    The activity was certainly pleasant for the nuns, who made so much money from it that they were able, in the 1950s, to put £1,000 towards the purchase of a holiday home for themselves.

    This heroic level of denial fed into the scandalous deal between the State and the religious congregations: Sr Helena was the lead negotiator for the orders and her ex-employee at the Mater, Bertie Ahern, was taoiseach. That deal protected, among other things, the order’s control of the Mater itself and the €40 million it got when it sold the Mater private hospital in 2000.

    The stark fact is that the State is planning to put both €1 billion of public money and the care of sick children into the hands of a “tradition” that has been completely unable to grasp the meaning of what it did to children in industrial schools.

    And this is just one example of the wider problem we face. Just one of the religious congregations involved, the Rosminians, has had the grace to acknowledge fully its collective guilt and act accordingly. The simple principle it adopted was, as Fr Joseph O’Reilly told the commission, “Do no more harm.” Staggeringly, this position was, the commission said, “unique”. Just one single congregation, in other words, has grasped the idea of doing no more harm as the primary imperative.

    Which leaves us with a blunt choice. Is it or is it not acceptable in the 21st century that institutions who cannot understand their obligation to do no more harm are still the trustees of our schools and hospitals? This is not an abstract question.

    Just last week, we learned that the Department of Education has not responded after 15 months to a request by the parents’ group Educate Together to be recognised as a patron for second-level schools. We also heard Catholic bishops demanding that they be made co-patrons of new, non-Catholic State primary schools. The arrogant demand for control has not changed.

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