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About LinkBacksI recomment hone-schooling for your children. They would then pose no threat to Catholics.Originally Posted by bog_trotter
I recomment hone-schooling for your children. They would then pose no threat to Catholics.
Meanwhile Bananaman (Brian Cowen) and Crow (Brian Lenihan) are sitting back, loosening their ties and sipping a drink. Delighted that the heat has been taken off them, who cares about rage at unemployment and the economy, (something we have control over) as long as we can scream and stomp our feet over something that isn't going to happen. There is an election in a few weeks, time for change in the banana republic.
That is the most amusing irony of all. They are using the report for their own ends. They care not one jot about the children who were abused.
......not very good at addressing the issue are you?
Its very difficult to take any of the antediluvian attitudes you express seriously, are you for real?
Even in the north, what passes for Catholic education in a lot of places now is:
- nominally Catholic kids from nominally Catholic homes,
- being taught in on the surface Catholic schools,
- by mostly non-practising non-believing Catholic teachers.
Not a very honest or desirable state of affairs.
Hone schooling - is that to make them sharper?
In the six counties, there should be much more integrated education.
Also here in the 26 counties, there should be pluralist, muti-faith education in which people get taught about a range of religions.
The Catholic faith should be treated equally, not with a primary position but with a position of equality with other faiths.
RIRA not in my name-Traitors to Ireland MMcGuinness; People are entitled to cultural & social equality MLMcDonald; We have a length to go understanding unionism GAdams
Glennshane seems to think every non-Catholic is anti-Catholic. Assuming he isn't trolling.
You are beginning to become repetive. Maybe you should switch again to your Unionist/Belfast Citizen persona. Or maybe you can do something knew and be a bra buring feminist
Time for Change!!!!!!
In spite of the extremely unfavourable spate of publicity about the religious orders,there will be no revolution uprooting the Catholic Church's influence in Irish life. Because the Irish people's identity historically has been closely associated with the Church,the Irish do not want such a radical break.The Ryan report on the holocaust of irish children by those charged with their care should now be the final push needed to forever remove the Religious Orders from their stranglehold on the Irish education sysytem. The Government shoul set a deadline to take over these schools and put them in state care to ensure all children get a full balanced education on all topics from evolution to sexuality.
We have nothing to be greatful to the Church for in terms of education as in reality they abused their position of authority. It is no better than thanking a parent for feeding a child that they also molest.
But there will be continuing evolutionary change of the kind that has been happening since the 1960s and accelerating the past twenty years,as the numbers of priests and nuns in the religious orders diminish to negligible levels,with their management of schools and hospitals transferred to the Catholic laity.
Should secularists advocate that this transfer is not enough to extirpate what some regard as the malign Church influences? They should recognise that in another generation,the Church schools will be secular in all but name.
The Catholic ethos and moral code of the laity is a far more tolerant than what it was,partly thanks to the reforming Pope John XXIII, whom some Catholic conservatives thought was a heretic, and partly because of modern life. With very little religion taught in many schools,many young Catholics today have just a smattering of it,which maybe is just as well.
By contrast,up until the 1950s,primary school children were forced to memorise the complicated,dogmatic Cathecism in a classic technique of brainwashing,while the sexual morality taught in religious secondary schools was extreme,in which anything to do with sex before marriage,even sexual thoughts,was a mortal sin that condemned the soul to eternal damnation. A sizeable minority of Irish Catholics took this sour puritanism seriously.
I favour keeping the subsidised private school structure of the present system,even though I would prefer if the schools excluded religion completely except outside of school hours. The advantage of the structure is to promote competition and educational choice. The schools' modest fees are affordable to most people because the state pays the salaries of teachers. If this system was nationalised,the state would eventually consolidate it into giant public schools run by top heavy,bureaucratic school boards which would reduce choice and competition and undermine the authority of school managers and teachers.
A key challenge is to make adequate provision for the increasing numbers of non-Christian minorities in an increasingly multicultural society. With the total domination of Church schools,the practical solution obviously is for the minorities to enroll in Catholic schools. But that requires that their religious feelings be respected which could be achieved by eliminating religious symbols from classrooms and study halls. Religious classes in minority religions could be arranged for them in Catholic schools if there was a demand for it. Some traditional Catholic conservatives may dislike the idea that down the hall in the local school,some children may be receiving instruction in Buddhism or Evengelism,but they should get used to it.
The government could enforce this integration of minorities into the Catholic school system by using the power of the purse. Any school accepting government money should have to comply with integration regulations. Those Catholics who want to keep non-Catholics out should be prepared to give up government aid.
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