Criminal Assets Bureau to seize church assets?

[the klingon]

In fairness,
the problem was endemic, institutional in the church. The guys who were caught were sent off to another parish with fresmeat FFS.
I have no problem at all with the church being declared bankrupt and all lands seized and sold as necessary. I understand for the most part that religion serves a different function to an MNC but why do we expect better standards from a Company?

How much money do you need to practise your religion? Should masses be held in hotels and clubs on a pay at the door basis? Maybe the dancing priest could entertain us - what would the dress code be?

No, I certainly don't want to see the end of the Church in Ireland, for the most part they do good, but paybacks a *************************

[advertismo]

There would be the question of whether the compulsary acquisition of church properties is penalising the greater 'church' - ie; the total community of Catholics in the country.
Though I'm not denying that the church runs itself like a private company, it's not supposed to be one.

Naw; impose severe custodial sentences on child-beaters and abusers (regardless of age, health, etc.) AND those in the hierarchy who hid their crimes and shielded the perpetrators from prosecution.
At least one Archibishop should fall into that category. And I dare say a few TDs....

[cashinhand]

When the case gets to court and a judgement made ask again.

Do you mean it would need a class action suit against for example the Christian brothers?

Or could the DPP initiate a prosecution against one of the individual orders for fraud and other crimes?

And once an admissable case was built, the CAB could move to seize assets or perhaps it has these powers itself?

A case doesn't just "get to court": someone or some body has to initiate an action...

I am not just interested in what is likely to happen, but what are the legal and other avenues open for such seizures to happen, even if they don't, at this juncture, seem likely (the abolition of slavery in the US didn't seem likely, but it happened).

Please elaborate.

[slx]

As far as I know you can bypass the DPP and take a private prosecution. It's just not done very often.

Perhaps if the state won't act, some right-thinking barrister(s) might consider working pro bono ?

[cashinhand]

As far as I know you can bypass the DPP and take a private prosecution. It's just not done very often.

Perhaps if the state won't act, some right-thinking barrister(s) might consider working pro bono ?

Thanks for that.

The Barristers/solicitors could work on a no foal no fee basis, and there would be plenty in the pot to pay them for their time if and when the assets are seized and disposed of.

[old timer]

As ever the respected if rather left-field 'Unrepentant Communist' blog has just posted a very apposite and pointed post on this very issue of clerical child abuse and the state letting the Church off the hook...which throws the press reports at the time of the deal in a new light

see "AN UNREPENTANT COMMUNIST....."

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

It would be one sure way of making some young barrister an absolute hero at home and abroad.

[MsAnneThrope]

But wouldn't the Government first need to renege on the deal already done, lifting/voiding the €128m cap on the Church's liability?

As things currently stand the Church has a Government agreement saying that they cannot be asked to fork out any more than that.

I also suspect that any such CAB orders would have to come from the very, very top before they could do anything. I just can't see it happening, especially since Ahern and Woods have both said they had no regrets with the cap. Gormley is calling on the Church to re-negotiate but CORI are already saying that's unlikely.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Well- if legal matters fail in such an issue as this that traitor Woods and his acolyte Ahern shouldn't be surprised if some hotheads decide to burn them out of Ireland.

Wouldn't that be terrible.

[sligo]

very sad to see imokyrok has these views, obviously you are a unionist