East Europeans ignore recession in race to Britain

[pete2]

More eastern Europeans are settling in Britain than departing despite a sharp increase in the numbers of migrants returning home, an official report revealed today. Figures released by the Office for National Statistics show that the number of Poles and other eastern European citizens leaving the country more than doubled over the year to the end of last September with a total of 56,000 departures. The exodus has been matched by a drop in the number of new arrivals registering for work.

But the number of eastern Europeans settling in Britain for at least a year edged up slightly to 100,000. The new figures, which also show that long-term immigration has remained stable over the past two years with an average annual influx of more than 500,000 British and overseas citizens, will fuel the debate about the impact of the recession on migration trends...

East Europeans ignore recession in race to Britain | News

Have said it before on p.ie, the evidence from previous recessionary periods is that recessions do not halt mass immigration. Migrants will keep on coming until limits are put in place.

Of course the EU continues to lie and pretend that the recession will cure EU mass immigration
http://euobserver.com/9/28168

[Thac0man]

East Europeans ignore recession in race to Britain | News

Have said it before on p.ie, the evidence from previous recessionary periods is that recessions do not halt mass immigration. Migrants will keep on coming until limits are put in place.

Of course the EU continues to lie and pretend that the recession will cure EU mass immigration
EUobserver / EU defends free movement of labour in face of UK workers protests

I do not think its about putting limits in place. Its alot to do with proper accountablity. Eastern Europeans cannot believe that there is no state ID system in either the UK or Ireland. Its a chancers paradise. Roll off the plance, set yourself up with a few differant IDs then off again. At the very least you might get lucky yourself and get a few quid immediatly, if not you have a few identities that can be used/sold at a later date.

Why else would thousands come and not bother getting work? Any other logical reason? No. We ourselves in Ireland are being ripped off to the tune of hundreds of millions a year from Welfare fraud. Who in their right mind is not going to jump on that gravy train? Especially when the government is showing no signs of doing a blessed thing about it. The few sweeps that have been done here have resulted in nearly half a billion in savings. That is only the tip of the iceberg.

In the 80's I worked on the black in London and signed on, all young Irish guys did. What young Polish person is not going to take advantage of free money when the government of both Ireland and the UK seem less than willing to put a halt to the practice?

[Wendy]

What happened to the plan to carry out identity checks for welfare claimants at post offices? It ain't happening.

[JCSkinner]

Points based immigration system ftw.
Scrap all current asylum, work permit and other schemes or methods for entering Ireland and unilaterally introduce the same restrictions on Eastern Europeans as the Germans. If Brussels whines, point them in the direction of Berlin.

[FutureTaoiseach]

The social-welfare system is being chronically abused in this country and it seems probable that the same is going on in the UK. The Habitual Residency Condition must be tightened up. Cut the PC-bull. This is about prioritisation of scarce public-finances, which must take priority over fuzzy, left-liberal thinking. If you want to be at "the heart of Europe", then go to the Alps, instead of making the rest of us pay for your failed social-engineering experiments.

[jmcc]

Points based immigration system ftw.
Scrap all current asylum, work permit and other schemes or methods for entering Ireland and unilaterally introduce the same restrictions on Eastern Europeans as the Germans. If Brussels whines, point them in the direction of Berlin.

It is the best solution. However the cretins in government would have to get their crony management consultancies to mangle its implementation with computer systems that don't work and a f*cktard designed documentation system and pay them millions.

Regards...jmcc

[cactusflower]

East Europeans ignore recession in race to Britain | News

Have said it before on p.ie, the evidence from previous recessionary periods is that recessions do not halt mass immigration. Migrants will keep on coming until limits are put in place.

Of course the EU continues to lie and pretend that the recession will cure EU mass immigration
EUobserver / EU defends free movement of labour in face of UK workers protests

Did you read the article ? Your posts appears to have inadvertantly completely misrepresented it.

I think you should change the thread title as it is misleading.

More eastern Europeans are settling in Britain than departing despite a sharp increase in the numbers of migrants returning home, an official report revealed today.

Figures released by the Office for National Statistics show that the number of Poles and other eastern European citizens leaving the country more than doubled over the year to the end of last September with a total of 56,000 departures.

The figures are nearly 9 months out of date.

The exodus has been matched by a drop in the number of new arrivals registering for work.

From this it would appear that there is not an increase.

But the number of eastern Europeans settling in Britain for at least a year edged up slightly to 100,000. The new figures, which also show that long-term immigration has remained stable over the past two years with an average annual influx of more than 500,000 British and overseas citizens, will fuel the debate about the impact of the recession on migration trends.

Many of the immigrants are obviously returned British citizens - unemployment in Spain is nearly 18% and the expat dream may be turning sour.

They reveal some evidence to back up anecdotal reports that the deteriorating economic climate has persuaded some migrants to return home by showing that there was a 50,000 leap in the number of non-Britons leaving the country up to the end of last September.

Again, the article says the numbers arriving were stable up to the end of September while the numbers of non-Britons leaving went up.

The increase took the total of non-British departures to 216,000 over the year — nearly 30 per cent up on the previous annual total of 166,000 — and was accounted for principally by a 30,000 rise in the number of eastern Europeans returning home.

The number of Eastern Europeans settling up to September was 100,000 and the number leaving was 56,000 - but the trend towards leaving was 30% upwards. I wonder what the figures are today?

Anyone who thinks that people leaving the country is a good thing is clearly forgetting that the reason populations fall is contraction of the economy. The economic crisis wasnt made by workers. We should stick together and unionise across Europe to make sure that one side isn't played off against the other.

[pete2]

Did you read the article ? Your posts appears to have inadvertantly completely misrepresented it.

I think you should change the thread title as it is misleading.

The thread title is the headline of the article. Given you open with this felonious attempt to hairsplit, it would be wise to discount your followup interpretation of the stats

Here is an interesting graph showing economic performance against immigration (brit ONS figures). Its not rocket science people, recession does not stop mass immigration.


edit-
For the record, "Net migration" is those who stay, not those who migrate- the supposed phenomena of 'circular migraton' which we are told is taking place

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=260

[FutureTaoiseach]

From this it would appear that there is not an increase.

They could be going on the dole.

[pete2]

And a related bit of info from ONS- asylum applications are up too
Sharp Rise In The Number Of Applications For UK Asylum (from The Herald )

Applications for asylum during the first three months [of 2009] stood at 8380, against 6595 in 2008, according to figures compiled by the Home Office, Office for National Statistics (ONS) and the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

Among the applicants, the proportion recognised as genuine refugees and granted the right to stay, or not considered refugees but given either "humanitarian protection" or "discretionary leave" to stay, was 61%.
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