Unemployment rising fastest amongst migrants

[pete2]

Germany and Austria did not change the rules - the same rules apply to them as apply to Ireland. Blame the Irish government or Irish politicians if you don't like the situation - don't blame the EU.

Wha? Its the EU's rules, rules which Germany the largest labor market in the EU can't live up to.

The EU would have forced Ireland to open its borders by 2011 at the latest, regardless of FF's decision- a decision made in 2001 following the No vote on Nice under atonement to the EU.

And now we have the EU beginning to wise up to the follie that EU freedom of labor has been. Irish people are not the only Europeans with buyers remorse on this idea, and any EUrophiles trying to make out that the idea has all gone swimmingly is a bold faced liar as the Eurobarometer polling shows.
http://www.politics.ie/europe/65435-...ld-europe.html

[pd_phoenix]

this clap trap coming from the person who agrees with the Polish workers undercutting irish workers, and agrees with the race to the bottom in regard wages for low skilled irish workers having to compete with foreigners who will undercut at every oppotunity. you said all of this is acceptable on another thread.

you are a low life and certainly not Irish.

we live in a free economy, everyone competes there shouldn't be special concessions for the Irish.

And I don't think anyone is ashamed of me being Irish but I'm sure theres numerous people who are ashamed that you are

[bluefish]

They were in the 1930s and 40s. Are you on drugs?

What the hell as that time period in history got to do with anything we are discussing?

And for your information the Nazi`s where a political party.

Not all Germans and Austrians where Nazi`s.

You clearly need to brush up on your history, or you will fail your leaving cert!

[Kev408]

What the hell as that time period in history got to do with anything we are discussing?

And for your information the Nazi`s where a political party.

Not all Germans and Austrians where Nazi`s.

You clearly need to brush up on your history, or you will fail your leaving cert!

They 'where' indeed. Muppet.

[bluefish]

They 'where' indeed. Muppet.

You are a ignorant Troll, who clearly knows shi t about anything.

Nazism

Nazism, officially National Socialism[1][2][3][4] (German: Nationalsozialismus), refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.[5][6][7][8]

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.[9] The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[10][11] eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[12][13][11]

In the 1930s, Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and philosophys which centered around nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and the importance of the ethnostate. Groups such as Strasserism and Black Front were part of the early Nazi movement. Their motivations were triggered over anger about the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany at the end of the World War I. Germany's post-war ills were critical to the formation of the ideology and its criticisms of the post-war Weimar Republic. The Nazi Party came to power in Germany in 1933.

In response to the instability created by the Great Depression, the Nazis sought a Third Way managed economy that was neither capitalism nor communism.[14][15] Nazi rule effectively ended on May 7, 1945, V-E Day, when the Nazis unconditionally surrendered to the Allied Powers, who took over Germany's administration until Germany could form its own democratic government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

[IrishTom]

we live in a free economy, everyone competes there shouldn't be special concessions for the Irish.

And I don't think anyone is ashamed of me being Irish but I'm sure theres numerous people who are ashamed that you are

witgh statements like the one above i know for a fact the majority of people in Ireland would not agree with you.

Irish people in Ireland should always be considered for employment first, then if the employer can not get an irish worker they should offer the job to a non national, just like Australia, or USA or Canada.

it is common sense, you seem to be unaware of Union rates on building sites, were polish builders completly undermine hard fought for workers rights and under cut Irish workers at every oppotunity, if you think this is acceptable you are simply a scum bag and not reprentative of the majority in Ireland.

[DeGaulle 2.0]

Wha? Its the EU's rules, rules which Germany the largest labor market in the EU can't live up to.

The EU would have forced Ireland to open its borders by 2011 at the latest, regardless of FF's decision- a decision made in 2001 following the No vote on Nice under atonement to the EU.

The rather obvious point is that there is a large nunber of Eastern European immigrants in this country because the Irish government (not the EU) decided that they should be allowed to come here. The Irish government could just as easily decided to adopt the same policy as Germany.

While there might be immigrants on the dole today, the idea that there was a large influx of welfare tourists from Eastern Europe is absurd.

[Kev408]

You are a ignorant Troll, who clearly knows shi t about anything.

Good point, clearly elucidated, well executed and not remotely a reflection on yourself.

[pd_phoenix]

witgh statements like the one above i know for a fact the majority of people in Ireland would not agree with you.

Irish people in Ireland should always be considered for employment first, then if the employer can not get an irish worker they should offer the job to a non national, just like Australia, or USA or Canada.

it is common sense, you seem to be unaware of Union rates on building sites, were polish builders completly undermine hard fought for workers rights and under cut Irish workers at every oppotunity, if you think this is acceptable you are simply a scum bag and not reprentative of the majority in Ireland.

with the economy how it is workers should be willing to do their jobs at a reduction and if the Polish are willing to do this then fair play, and before you go on a rant about how I know nothing about what goes on in the building sector my father is a builder so I know more than you probably do.

[pd_phoenix]

The rather obvious point is that there is a large nunber of Eastern European immigrants in this country because the Irish government (not the EU) decided that they should be allowed to come here. The Irish government could just as easily decided to adopt the same policy as Germany.

While there might be immigrants on the dole today, the idea that there was a large influx of welfare tourists from Eastern Europe is absurd.

someone speaking sense at last