Exploding public pay rates

[Watcher1]

Re-wording the question is only serving to make it more stupid. Read the name of the thread. A more relevent proposal in the present circumstances would be to share whatever work is available, or divide available work out so that each family unit has at least one job. These are alternatives to a fair and progressive taxation on all income.

How would you implement such a proposal?

And THAT's how hopi watcher saved the world.

Good night kids.

[Kevin Doyle]

yes to reforming the tax system (the pension relief allowing one to grow a fund of up to 100m tax free is a prime example), I agree, but you cannot do this in isolation, you have to cut costs and reform.

This is happening. My salary is down nearly 15% (pay cut + Pensions levy + loss of expenses, 18% if you include the other levies) since this time last year (wiping out 2 promotions and putting me back to 2001 pay levels). Will be down by more this time next week (not really relevant as those increased levies effect everyone)

All OT gone, all expenses cut with the exception of a significantly reduced per diem for working outside the state, 35 redundancies with more to come-a decision made by board members on Monday whilst they dined on catered food.

The ER scheme's impact to our organisation will be huge as the age profile is 50+

[Watcher1]

Private sector

Public sector

On what are the primary and secondary school teachers salaries based? How many years of service before they get that salary?

[hopi watcher]

Increasing prices will result in less sales that 10 even more likely.
You could reduce your price and sell more
You could reduce your costs and hapilly maintain selling 10 cars.

Or you could do a combination of all 3 !!!!

Hope keeps referring to the first option as the solution to all, I am saying simply that you need to follow up with 2 and 3.

Increasing taxes, or refoprming the tax system is not the final solution, it may well be part of the solution, but not all.

So Hopi, yes to reforming the tax system (the pension releif allowing one to grow a fund of up to 100m tax free is a prime example), I agree, but you cannot do this in isolation, you have to cut costs and reform.

You can continue to mis-quote if you will but I note that we are`making progress. You agree that things cannot be done in isolation. Cutting the ass out of the PS will not solve our problems and that is why I keeo repeating that a fair and progressive tax system must form the basis of any plan. We must ensre that people are vnot forced into poverty while others are allowed to party. Whatever wealth is about must be distributed accordingly.

[Kevin Doyle]

On what are the primary and secondary school teachers salaries based? How many years of service before they get that salary?

The site hes using is an American pay comparison site that uses averages based on the number of people who post their salaries on the site.

[Watcher1]

You can continue to mis-quote if you will but I note that we are`making progress. You agree that things cannot be done in isolation. Cutting the ass out of the PS will not solve our problems and that is why I keeo repeating that a fair and progressive tax system must form the basis of any plan. We must ensre that people are vnot forced into poverty while others are allowed to party. Whatever wealth is about must be distributed accordingly.

Yes, agreed, but keeping the public sector bill (including wages) as it is IS NOT sustainable. Now, from where you obtain the cost savings is another issue. That can also be done fairly.

Only problem is FF. They cant do anything right, let alone fairly.

[wexfordman]

This is happening. My salary is down nearly 15% (pay cut + Pensions levy + loss of expenses, 18% if you include the other levies) since this time last year (wiping out 2 promotions and putting me back to 2001 pay levels). Will be down by more this time next week (not really relevant as those increased levies effect everyone)

All OT gone, all expenses cut with the exception of a significantly reduced per diem for working outside the state, 35 redundancies with more to come-a decision made by board members on Monday whilst they dined on catered food.

The ER scheme's impact to our organisation will be huge as the age profile is 50+

Loss of expenses and OT can hardly be referred to as a pay cut though!!
How is that 15% made up ? how much levy, how much pay cut (how was that implemented), and if you dont mind me asking, what area of the ps do you work in ?

[wexfordman]

You can continue to mis-quote if you will but I note that we are`making progress. You agree that things cannot be done in isolation. Cutting the ass out of the PS will not solve our problems and that is why I keeo repeating that a fair and progressive tax system must form the basis of any plan. We must ensre that people are vnot forced into poverty while others are allowed to party. Whatever wealth is about must be distributed accordingly.

No mprogress I'm afraid hopi, I have never denied reform of the taxation system is not neccessary and is absolutely part of the solution. I have consistently said to you that it is not the be all and end all, which then you alsowas followup by repeating it , and ignoring the main point of this "discussion" which is about reducing ps costs!!

So, you agree that PS reform is needed, that we MUST cut costs of running our PS, that the PS is capable of significant reform, including job cuts where necessary and able ?

[Kevin Doyle]

Loss of expenses and OT can hardly be referred to as a pay cut though!!
How is that 15% made up ? how much levy, how much pay cut (how was that implemented), and if you don't mind me asking, what area of the ps do you work in ?

10% pay cut the rest the levies and expenses, the expenses part is negligible (unlike Harneys drones in the HSE with 12K credit cards, but it still reflects a lower income.

Pay cut was formulated by Unions and management in a totally transparent manner in that they looked at our revenue, knew we couldn't make up the genuine shortfall through any subvention, crunched the numbers and all agreed.

I work in a Commercial Semi State body.

I mentioned OT and expenses wrt cost saving. A measure occurring through the public body and will deliver significant savings (in the region of 2 Billion)

It ain't all rosy in the Public sector.

[Watcher1]

The site hes using is an American pay comparison site that uses averages based on the number of people who post their salaries on the site.

Oh, a representative display then. Gotcha.