Exploding public pay rates

[hopi watcher]

Do you agree that employers in reposnse to declining revenues should simply increase thier charges ? PLease answer that one question.

You seem to have the view that the species you refer to as 'employers' are above all of this and require special treatment. The question is unsurprisingly stupid. Maybe they should just stop paying workers, that would do the trick!!!

[wexfordman]

Your arguments are falling asunder for one simple reason, you set out on this road to scapegoat and not to seek logiocal and fair answers to our plight. You reject the idea that many are not having thier incomes reduced by dismissing the fact. And the fact remains that sharing the burden is best achieved by the introduction of a fair and progressive tax system that particularly taxes adequately high end income. Spending will fall in line with wealth generated, but that too must be spread and tailored so as to avoid unfairness and getthos of people living on scraps, hardly what you would want I assume. The bottom line is that ythe wealth that we generate must be fairly distributed in this recession if we are to avoid a total breakdown.

Do you beleive that in the face of declining revenue's, increasing charges is the solution. Do you beelive the solution to declining motor sales, the solution is to increase the price of motor cars ?

Yes or No

[hopi watcher]

Do you beleive that in the face of declining revenue's, increasing charges is the solution. Do you beelive the solution to declining motor sales, the solution is to increase the price of motor cars ?

Yes or No

What has this other silly question to do with anything? What? Start thinking 'human beings' and you might just get out of the quagmire you are stuck in.

[wexfordman]

What has this other silly question to do with anything? What? Start thinking 'human beings' and you might just get out of the quagmire you are stuck in.

I think you well kbnow what its got to do with, hence your refusal to answer the question. Go on answer it. If your revenue is falling, is the solution to increase your charges ? Should car pricces, for example, be going up or down in the current climate ?

[Kevin Doyle]

I think you well kbnow what its got to do with, hence your refusal to answer the question. Go on answer it. If your revenue is falling, is the solution to increase your charges ? Should car pricces, for example, be going up or down in the current climate ?

Who is increasing charges? You are making a spurious juxtaposition here in your example if you are relating price increases to tax increases. That is why i suspect nobody is rising to the bait.

The arguement for tax increase is essentially over, even the UK has introduced a new higher rate

The issue of Government revenue is and always will be related to tax.

[hopi watcher]

I think you well kbnow what its got to do with, hence your refusal to answer the question. Go on answer it. If your revenue is falling, is the solution to increase your charges ? Should car pricces, for example, be going up or down in the current climate ?

Re-wording the question is only serving to make it more stupid. Read the name of the thread. A more relevent proposal in the present circumstances would be to share whatever work is available, or divide available work out so that each family unit has at least one job. These are alternatives to a fair and progressive taxation on all income.

[Clanrickard]

Do you beleive that in the face of declining revenue's, increasing charges is the solution. Do you beelive the solution to declining motor sales, the solution is to increase the price of motor cars ?

Yes or No

Yes if you are the garage owner because you need to get more revenue from each car. If you sell 20 cars at 1000 euro profit each and the following year you sell 10 cars then you need to increase each car by 1000 euro to get the same profit.

Of course this assumes you don't cut your costs.

[bormotello]

Not really, I'd need to know more about labour market structures in other countries. It may that our workforce as a whole has a higher proportion of lower-skilled, lower-paid workers than other EU states. Or our public sector has a higher proportion of higher-skilled, higher-paid workers.

Private sector

Public sector

[wexfordman]

Yes if you are the garage owner because you need to get more revenue from each car. If you sell 20 cars at 1000 euro profit each and the following year you sell 10 cars then you need to increase each car by 1000 euro to get the same profit.

Of course this assumes you don't cut your costs.

Increasing prices will result in less sales that 10 even more likely.
You could reduce your price and sell more
You could reduce your costs and hapilly maintain selling 10 cars.

Or you could do a combination of all 3 !!!!

Hope keeps referring to the first option as the solution to all, I am saying simply that you need to follow up with 2 and 3.

Increasing taxes, or refoprming the tax system is not the final solution, it may well be part of the solution, but not all.

So Hopi, yes to reforming the tax system (the pension releif allowing one to grow a fund of up to 100m tax free is a prime example), I agree, but you cannot do this in isolation, you have to cut costs and reform.

[Clanrickard]

Or you could do a combination of all 3 !!!!

Hope keeps referring to the first option as the solution to all, I am saying simply that you need to follow up with 2 and 3.

Increasing taxes, or refoprming the tax system is not the final solution, it may well be part of the solution, but not all.

So Hopi, yes to reforming the tax system (the pension releif allowing one to grow a fund of up to 100m tax free is a prime example), I agree, but you cannot do this in isolation, you have to cut costs and reform.

Agree with you 100%. Hopi would be on firmer ground as would Labour and the left if they included cuts in PS salaries and welfare in the mix along with tax increases. This they steadfastly refuse to do. All this is irrelevant as the long overdue cuts in welfare and public sector salaries will come and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Either our government does it or we'll be going cap in hand to the IMF and they will insist on it.