Exploding public pay rates

[Proposition Joe]

Your contention that the PS is responible for all our ills is really becoming tedious not to mention childish.

While your blind defense of the PS and all its ills is as fresh and engaging as ever it was.

We cannot afford a decent healthcare service becaus those pesky public sector workers are overpaid and ineffeicent!!! Well the news is, it would be wonderful of that was the case, the solution would be very easy, but alas that is not the case and scapegoating is a futile past time.

And what is that very easy solution?

And again you cannot compare wage rates between NHS and HSE workers. The cost of living in the UK is way below what it is here. Can you not understand that simple point?

I'm not ignoring the cost of living issue.

The local cost of living is equal for public and private sector workers, right?

Therefore in any given economy, one would expect similar relativities between public and private sector wages, right?

And if in one country that relativity was totally out of whack with the others, that would indicate a disparity that should be fixed, right?

Well across most of out European neighbours, public sector pay is up to 10% below that of the private sector, to take into account the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

In Ireland public sector pay is on average 20% above the private sector, without counting the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

How does the high cost of living justify that anomaly?

Can you not understand that simple point?

And can you not understand that the cost of living is driven up by high wages?

[Kevin Doyle]

Yes, the IMF will be here soon.

Well, then, we're all screwed if thats the case.

IMF intervention will completely kill off any hope we had of a recovery, far from getting PS reform you will cut across the board cuts which will destroy whats left of the Health service and education.

Happy days.

[hopi watcher]

your a schoolboy playing hookie, right

It's 'you are' or 'you're'. Things in low babies must be as bad as they say!!!

[Kevin Doyle]

While your blind defense of the PS and all its ills is as fresh and engaging as ever it was.



And what is that very easy solution?



I'm not ignoring the cost of living issue.

The local cost of living is equal for public and private sector workers, right?

Therefore in any given economy, one would expect similar relativities between public and private sector wages, right?

And if in one country that relativity was totally out of whack with the others, that would indicate a disparity that should be fixed, right?

Well across most of out European neighbours, public sector pay is up to 10% below that of the private sector, to take into account the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

In Ireland public sector pay is on average 20% above the private sector, without counting the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

How does the high cost of living justify that anomaly?



And can you not understand that the cost of living is driven up by high wages?

All very nice and tidy but completely oblivious to the fact that PS wages have come down.

They'll come down further as is warranted in the current economic climate but they won't come down by the insane percentages many are forwarding here i.e. 30%

[Watcher1]

Suiffice to piont out to you that your little theory is blown away by the fact that Ireland's public sector is one of the leanest in Europe. The cost of living here is driven mainly by greed.

I agree with that, and that is for both public and private sector, but it has been shown time and again that inflation has been mainly driven by publicly controlled sectors.

Anyway, we'll see what happens when the IMF take over as I am convinced is going to happen. In fact, I'm almost at the stage where I hope they come in very soon and takle the running of this country over from the morons we currently have in power. The longer it takes, the worse its going to be.

[Kevin Doyle]

And can you not understand that the cost of living is driven up by high wages?

Are you trying to say that that is the only factor?

Profiteering has nothing to do with it I suppose?

[hopi watcher]

While your blind defense of the PS and all its ills is as fresh and engaging as ever it was.



And what is that very easy solution?



I'm not ignoring the cost of living issue.

The local cost of living is equal for public and private sector workers, right?

Therefore in any given economy, one would expect similar relativities between public and private sector wages, right?

And if in one country that relativity was totally out of whack with the others, that would indicate a disparity that should be fixed, right?

Well across most of out European neighbours, public sector pay is up to 10% below that of the private sector, to take into account the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

In Ireland public sector pay is on average 20% above the private sector, without counting the value of job security and a guaranteed pension.

How does the high cost of living justify that anomaly?



And can you not understand that the cost of living is driven up by high wages?

This ranting is just becoming rediculous and I am amazed that people seem to have lost all self respect and have no difficulty making fools of themselves.
High wages chase rising cost of living, not the other way around. If the cost of living drops by 10% then there is a case to look at all other aspects of the economy.

[Kevin Doyle]

I agree with that, and that is for both public and private sector, but it has been shown time and again that inflation has been mainly driven by publicly controlled sectors.

I'm sorry but that is simply not true. For the overwhelming majority the cost of living consists of Mortgage/rent/Car/Insurance, Food stuffs, clothing and utilities.

Of them only utilities (ESB/Gas) are controlled by PS companies and they levy their charges under the guidance of a regulator.

What you are saying isn't true.

[Watcher1]

Well, then, we're all screwed if thats the case.

IMF intervention will completely kill off any hope we had of a recovery, far from getting PS reform you will cut across the board cuts which will destroy whats left of the Health service and education.

Happy days.

And what hope do we have now? - none with a capital N. It's worse the country is getting. The country is grinding to a halt very quickly. Like the banks, we need to grasp reality and try to do something about it, however, FF have no intention of doing this and instead are intent on driving this country further below ground in the faint hope that they and their gang of merry men will hold on to their good cushy numbers and their good life while the mass peasentry sort out the country.

It's not going to happen. They have turned this country into a wasteland of walking dead and its only worse they are making it. Radical thinking is required and a quick sharp shock to the country is what is needed to jump start it back to recovery. The sad fact is that FF dont know how to do this. I dont think any of the political class know how to do it and they need to get someone in here that does know, and quickly. The least they need to do it get someone in who will stop the rot.

[hopi watcher]

I agree with that, and that is for both public and private sector, but it has been shown time and again that inflation has been mainly driven by publicly controlled sectors.

Anyway, we'll see what happens when the IMF take over as I am convinced is going to happen. In fact, I'm almost at the stage where I hope they come in very soon and takle the running of this country over from the morons we currently have in power. The longer it takes, the worse its going to be.

Both if the contention is accurate but there is much evidence that our problem was exacerbated by deregulation and a small clique were vallowed to do as they wished with other peoples money. Take a look at the cost of a house 18 months ago. Anything up to 50% of the price was sheer rip off greed. A pint of beer outside Dublin can be bought for as a low as €3.80 compared to €5.50+ Why? Greed. Blaming the workers employed by the state for this is silly, plain and simple.