Exploding public pay rates

[Leftfemme22]

Ditto!!!

And by the way, you also said it was none of my business what the salary or pay scales of nurses was, particularly in reference to starting salaries, you also wade in on most debates about ps pay (which you are entitled to, or were at least, but dont be a moron telling other people they are not).

Here is the point to consider.

PS salary is determined by Government, not the at whim of individual citizens. Your gripe is with Government but instead you attack PS workers exclusively and consider them greedy and unpatriotic etc etc.

I never comment on your salary nor have I determined what you should be paid but you reckon you have some god given right to set pay and conditions for professions you know nothing about simply because you pay taxes. A simplistic narcissistic view.

You do have a right, as do all tax payers to expect value for money from Government but it is still entirely the remit of said Government to deliver that value for money and where they fail they should be vilified, not PS workers who quite frankly have nothing to do with it.

So like I said you can comment all you want but all your gripes are woefully misplaced and IMV intentionally so.

Stand for election and see how far you get, with a mandate people will listen to you. Or alternatively vote for a candidate who best represents your own position, but don't attack PS workers or undermine their worth, where warranted that is the job of policy makers.

Thats democracy, worts and all.

[hopi watcher]

Hopi, I am obsessed, I am obsessed with anything do do with the services I pay for, no argument there, do you think I should have no interest or opinion ?

Funny how you and lefty always appear at the same time, almost like you sit next to eachother.

Paranoia kicking in I see. If you are cocncerned with public spending, take it up with the govenrment. Attacking workers is futile and childish.

[wexfordman]

Paranoia kicking in I see. If you are cocncerned with public spending, take it up with the govenrment

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I dont know whether to laugh or cry seriously... my rants on this site are far less "attacking" of any sector than the threats, whinging and disruption we are facing from ps workers,

Attacking workers is futile and childish.

Tell that to the unions threatening strike and disruption on their "fellow" workers inthe private sector. Tell that to the unions who want their "fellow" private sector workers to take the brunt of the pain, and also to keep paying their wages to the same level as they have been over the last 100 years.

Attacking workers is futile, I agree, call an end to the opposition to levy, implement real ps reform, take the necessary pay cuts and job cuts without threatening workers and thier children

[hopi watcher]

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I dont know whether to laugh or cry seriously... my rants on this site are far less "attacking" of any sector than the threats, whinging and disruption we are facing from ps workers,



Tell that to the unions threatening strike and disruption on their "fellow" workers inthe private sector. Tell that to the unions who want their "fellow" private sector workers to take the brunt of the pain, and also to keep paying their wages to the same level as they have been over the last 100 years.

Attacking workers is futile, I agree, call an end to the opposition to levy, implement real ps reform, take the necessary pay cuts and job cuts without threatening workers and thier children

These rants are really now becoming rediculous. Reading this nonsense one would think that workers employed by the state caused all the mess. Why should workers employed by the state, or any other group, accept pay cuts etc that they believe to be unfair.
The solution to all of this is the introduction of a fair and progressive tax system on ALL income. People paying in accordance with their means.Why is that so difficult for you to see?
If you believe that the govenrment is wasting taxpayers money, vote against them, or join a party and work to change things, or run as an independent. That would be more productive than constantly attacking people who are merely about earning a living for themselves and their families.

[wexfordman]

These rants are really now becoming rediculous. Reading this nonsense one would think that workers employed by the state caused all the mess. Why should workers employed by the state, or any other group, accept pay cuts etc that they believe to be unfair.

Because the state cant afford to pay them, simple..

The solution to all of this is the introduction of a fair and progressive tax system on ALL income. People paying in accordance with their means.Why is that so difficult for you to see?

No, its not the solution to ALL of this. Introducing more taxes does not help businesses to reduce costs. So your fair and progressive tax system, will not be fair, as private sector will still need to reduce costs in line with falling revenue. Whats fair, is to ask the government, as an employer to do the same thing. I'm all for fairness.

People paying in accordance with their means.

Yep, and include emplyers in that, both private and public, again I'm all for fairness.

If you believe that the govenrment is wasting taxpayers money, vote against them

Will do, and that will be primarily for any party that promises true ps reform.

, or join a party and work to change things, or run as an independent..

I would, only I dont have the luxury of having an employer who will facilitate me in doing this by offering me career breaks and job gaurantees should I lose my seat, I dont have an emplyer that would allow me keep part of my salary after I am elected, I dont have an employer that will protect me while in case I dont get re-elected.

[hopi watcher]

Because the state cant afford to pay them, simple..
No, its not the solution to ALL of this. Introducing more taxes does not help businesses to reduce costs. So your fair and progressive tax system, will not be fair, as private sector will still need to reduce costs in line with falling revenue. Whats fair, is to ask the government, as an employer to do the same thing. I'm all for fairness.

But it is the solution. You are now contradicting even your own silliness. Apparenty it is OK to penalise workers employed by the state but 'business' must be cossetted. You are not at all for fairness, you want others to carry the can for the mess. And your concern for 'business' is touching given that yoy are an employee.

Your rant as to why you will not engage where it could do some good is pathetic.

[wexfordman]

But it is the solution. You are now contradicting even your own silliness. Apparenty it is OK to penalise workers employed by the state but 'business' must be cossetted. You are not at all for fairness, you want others to carry the can for the mess. And your concern for 'business' is touching given that yoy are an employee.

Your rant as to why you will not engage where it could do some good is pathetic.

Oh my god, you are in complete denial, even to your own statements. I never said it was ok to penalise workers, hey, if we could, pay everyone twice what they are on now, happy days, but we cant, we cant even afford to pay them what they were on last year.

Its not about "cosseting" employers, and do please make sure you include the government themselves when you refer to emplyers, its about making sure that emplyers are able to do business and keep employing.

You are clearly not about fairness, you want fair enough a level playing field with regard taxes (fair enough, no argument ) but you are unwilling to apply your fairness model to the ability of employers to pay. My employer is cutting costs cos revenue is falling, the same applies to the government, simple as, why do you keep denying this ?

And as far as saying I will not engage by running in the election, primarly its cos I cant, not becuase I dont want to. I assume you are running yourself ?

Its more fairyness you are into rather than fairness.

[Leftfemme22]

My employer is cutting costs cos revenue is falling, the same applies to the government, simple as, why do you keep denying this ?

You don't seem too concerned about your employers costs in fairness, you spend a substantial part of the working day on line defending your employer lowering your standard of living.

[adamirer]

hpi, lefy... i dunno why you're still having the same debate, with the same people, month after month.. you arent going to change their minds...

[Leftfemme22]

hpi, lefy... i dunno why you're still having the same debate, with the same people, month after month.. you arent going to change their minds...

Oh I know, but its important to establish where they are coming from etc etc.

I haven't actually bothered with them for quite some time now.