Vote Independents and Protest against Mass Immigration for the Euros in June

[DaBrow]

Looking around the internet, not to mention mainstream media sources at real stories of faulty Islam in action is enough without importing it large-scale.

Secular education was going to come with or without large scale immigration following the scandal of sex abuse and loss of religiosity in Ireland.

I don't see how living together improves our chances of co-existence. If no-one ever came to Ireland would we hate them for some reason? Why? Don't know about DaBrow but i do worry about whether it turns out alright in a way you seem assured of or if it turns nasty. You don't seem to even consider it failing. Better safe than sorry if you ask me.

Fair levels of immigration is no problem and is more manageable. The period 2004-2008 at that constant rate of immigration is unmanageable. A much smaller level will also help people integrate into Irish culture not dissolve themselves into an ill-defined pan-multiculture created on an ideological level common around the world (well western world).

Again you don't need to have multiculture to make friends from around the world. I've a few too. I would still do even if we dumped multiculturalism and regulated future immigration more closely.


I won't mention riots if you don't mention food


So i oppose multiculturalism but support small managed immigration of immigrants who will integrate into Ireland and whose kids see themselves as Irish and who other Irish people see as being Irish.

Am i really an evil racist for holding this view? Do you see a potential for problems in the future when people rather than integrating into a new culture and seeing themselves as Irish recreate a version of their own culture within the culture and see themselves as different and are seen as different?

Is there any country in the world who are prime examples of the success of this concept of 'multiculturalism' where the different cultures live without tension and where a dominant ethnic group were already in place beforehand?

I have many foreign friends across the globe, but I oppose the idea of the whole world and its mother being in my country. One Catholic Friend of Mine from Malayasia tells me how multiculturalism in his country (predominently muslim) doesn't work and that if it was monocultural, so much more would be achieved. Straight from his mouth.


The abuse of children by a few sick and perverted psychopaths whom decieved the clergy by being allowed into the church, has damaged its reputation but they are doing everything they can to repair the wrongs.

Secular education is a hotbed for sectarianism and racism, I know because most UK schools of this description are infested with these problems and it would be a breeding ground for extremism.

I'm sure that I may have attended at least one school where future Islamic Extemists were there at the same time a few years above or below me.

[the impossibilist]

Impossibilist, I know you lived in Britain and are happily married to a very loving polish wife from what you have said previously.

However, I doubt you had to put up with the amount that was thrown at me daily and be unable to do something about it.............. most on this site if they experienced it wouldn't stand for it.

You have to at least accept that given how many people have arrived in this country legally and illegally (most of them are according to a lawyer uncle I have), this is completely unsustainable as we have very limited infrastructure to cater for ourselves. Not alone 800,000 non-nationals that we have estimated here, also the case I'm making that Irish Identity is eroding................


Why are we seeing Polish, Chinese and other advertisements on Dublin Bus Shelters?

All signs and symbols in this country should be in Irish and English only, I'm even hearing that irish is further declining in the Gaeltacht not because of a decreasing population speaking the tongue but the fact that many non-nationals have moved into the area demanding that all the services be in English - Very ignorant and selfish is you ask me, and I doubt they'll be making friends from the Irish-Speaking population.


I don't want our Country to have its native population and culture, in the minority by 2050 which if you'll view the youtube video a few pages back is very likely if nothing is done.

I accept at face value the reality that you had it rough. My two cousins, who came back here in the early Eighties got it equally bad in secondary school. English mum, English accents. I know what went on. And it had a lot to do with ''Irish culture'' of the early Eighties.

But you, I think revealingly, presented this ''difficulty of being Irish in Britain'' as the reality today - it emphatically is not. And you have many times given the impression that your experiences leave you in no doubt that the races can never mix. For me, that's a jump too far.

If I could also point out that you very often appeal to things you've heard - a lawyer uncle, a friend in the Gaeltacht, the dogs in the street, and so on. It doesn't add weight to the case you're making to do so.

The infrastructure case is easy to make... if only we had all the numbers. But there's a certain rigour to that, which I can see. Mind you, Britain certainly ''feels'' overcrowded and claustrophobic. I don't get that feeling here in Dublin. I acknowledge that you are looking forward in time, in your views.

But you are wrong, wrong, wrong to attribute the loss of our culture to immigration. If the impact on our culture (to date), is a central plank in your immigration stance - then I think you need to rethink your whole position. (I know you have a ''resources'' argument too).

It would be drastic if the Gaeltachta were adversely affected by newcomers. But I'll bet if you asked the vociferous anti-immigration Irish to put their money where their mouths are - to holiday in, and support the Gaeltachta - the dominant national apathy would soon surface.

That is why our loss of culture is our own fault and no-one else's.

edit - on rereading the previous post, I probably unnecessarily made a reference to ''weakness of character''. Not a nice thing to say. It didn't happen to me, so I had no right to be so harsh. For which I apologise.

[DaBrow]

I accept at face value the reality that you had it rough. My two cousins, who came back here in the early Eighties got it equally bad in secondary school. English mum, English accents. I know what went on. And it had a lot to do with ''Irish culture'' of the early Eighties.

But you, I think revealingly, presented this ''difficulty of being Irish in Britain'' as the reality today - it emphatically is not. And you have many times given the impression that your experiences leave you in no doubt that the races can never mix. For me, that's a jump too far.

If I could also point out that you very often appeal to things you've heard - a lawyer uncle, a friend in the Gaeltacht, the dogs in the street, and so on. It doesn't add weight to the case you're making to do so.

The infrastructure case is easy to make... if only we had all the numbers. But there's a certain rigour to that, which I can see. Mind you, Britain certainly ''feels'' overcrowded and claustrophobic. I don't get that feeling here in Dublin. I acknowledge that you are looking forward in time, in your views.

But you are wrong, wrong, wrong to attribute the loss of our culture to immigration. If the impact on our culture (to date), is a central plank in your immigration stance - then I think you need to rethink your whole position. (I know you have a ''resources'' argument too).

It would be drastic if the Gaeltachta were adversely affected by newcomers. But I'll bet if you asked the vociferous anti-immigration Irish to put their money where their mouths are - to holiday in, and support the Gaeltachta - the dominant national apathy would soon surface.

That is why our loss of culture is our own fault and no-one else's.

edit - on rereading the previous post, I probably unnecessarily made a reference to ''weakness of character''. Not a nice thing to say. It didn't happen to me, so I had no right to be so harsh. For which I apologise.

Apology accepted.

As for the Gaeltachta; given the current climate and how alot of Irish people are going to holiday at home this year, I think we'll see more domestic tourists there.

This is a good thing coming out of something bad, and it'll give many young Irish Kids the chance to improve their knowledge of the language to help them if sitting the leaving cert next year.

[an asal]

The only problem with electing independants is that like the crowd here they would support the FF'rs, for a pot of mess.

[DaBrow]

The only problem with electing independants is that like the crowd here they would support the FF'rs, for a pot of mess.

Well FF, are expected to be wiped out in June to due their reckless Russian-Roulette handling of the country through the period which should be called The "Celtic Typhoid".

The whole Irish Political System needs a wake up call, the independent candidates even if they not against immigration I think are more likely to listen to their constituents.

It'll give a message and show how annoyed we are, I'd rather a non-affiliated party person represent me that the gombeen crook I know from Fianna Fail, Labour or Fine Gael etc.

[fisk]

Your last sentence I am appalled at your suggestion.

The furthest I would go is encouraging people by payment to leave and give them a deadline to find work back in their native country, with the assistance of their government.

The immigrants aren't to blame for this crisis, but having huge numbers of them present in the country when most Irish People are losing their homes/jobs and having to consider leaving the place for work isn't helping Ireland either.

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We are officially the most debt ridden country in Europe, if not the world..................... how can we look after anyone but ourselves?

What I suggest is sending the brightest and best back to their own countries, because while they were here they'll have picked up more skills which would motivate and assist their homelands workforce being a faster recovery.

If we supported our brightest and best to stay here, then we'll get out of this mess a hell of a lot faster than we are doing so now.

This country once had a foreign population of 1% just over 15 years ago, which was fine and not a cause for concern but now when they number about 1/7 of the country that is a huge concern.

Most debt ridden country in the world
I think Somalia sudan etc could gives us a run on that point

[TheLastPaddy]

Apart from the ICP(Immigration Control Platform/Insane Clown Posse) you will be very hard pressed to find any candidates oppossed to immigration.

I have just been reading this thread. I would not agree that the ICP are nutters. Ted Neville in particular, has always impressed me as a coherent speaker on the risks associated with untrammelled immigration and brave to boot, ignoring the often mindless abuse of the pc multicult lobby and the craven media.

[Trampas]

I have just been reading this thread. I would not agree that the ICP are nutters. Ted Neville in particular, has always impressed me as a coherent speaker on the risks associated with untrammelled immigration and brave to boot, ignoring the often mindless abuse of the pc multicult lobby and the craven media.

Unfortunately for the ICP and for Ireland A. Ni C. was totally unsuitable as ICP spokesperson although history will show that there wasn't a whole lot wrong with what she had to say.