PUblic Vs Private Pay

[Bonzo1970]

There are two rules for this thread. All I can ask is you try to follow them for a proper debate:

1) You must state your age,profession salary,perks(if any) and level of education and hours.
2) You must not use this thread as a vehicle to make unsubstantiated accusations or cheap therapy for that teacher or Guard who battered you twenty years ago.

I realise that finfacts have indicated that salary levels are higher in Public sector than private but I keep meeting people with similar education as myself earning a lot more in the Private sector so just want to get the people behind the statistics and see if as has been alleged ,I have my head up my arse.

Here goes. I'm 38. Teaching 15 years roughly. I have a Degree.(hons) HDIP. Diploma in Catechetics,MA in Religion . My salary from Department is roughly 54K but I would be untruthful if I did not mention that I work over summer and do supervision, so lets say 57K.

[Silvio Dante]

Ok...

Sex: Male

Age: 37

Occupation: Clerical Officer, Civil Service. Second year in job.

Salary: €25,500

Basic Hours: 35 Hrs 45 min per week... Perks: Nice pension of which I'm purchasing 9 years of service at a very good rate, overtime is rare...

Education: Leaving Certificate

[LeftOfCentre]

I have a Degree.(hons) HDIP. Diploma in Catechetics,MA in Religion . My salary from Department is roughly 54K but I would be untruthful if I did not mention that I work over summer and do supervision, so lets say 57K.

Are you a primary school teacher? or secondary school teacher?

To keep things fair I believe you should only quote qualifications directly relevant to your current employment. . . . Just attending a course for a few years and regurgitating the information in exams is not a sufficient way to work out one's salary.

Is a Diploma In Cathechetics really needed for you to complete your Job

Leaving out the jobs you do while you are on annual leave.

take your salary of

54k pa

- Primary---- Days actually worked to earn this --- 183

-secondary--- Days actually worked to earn this --- 167

Assuming an average amount of 7 hours ACTUALLY WORKED HOURS per day (taking away your lunch break but allowing time for preparation/corrections etc.. this is generous)

Your hourly rate is

- Primary - = 42.15 -- (295 euro per day)

-secondary - = 46.19-- (323 euro per day)

You have a gold plated pension package ,,, and are virtually un-sackable.

*****

now ... On to me ,,,,

I work in finance, i am In my late 20's ,,,, (thats as specific as i'd like to be.. but its not the bad stuff!)

I manage 32 members of staff.

My salary is circa 65k with defined benefit pension + company car.

I get 28 annual leave days per year, , , but when I am off I field a number of work related phone calls.

I simply can not take a sick day .... EVER.

Most days I work up to 13 hours, and I find it hard to sleep due to the pressure & stress, but sport helps.

Educationally i would be considered very educated(1 part time honors degree in commerce started at age 17 & and a part time post grad in psychology) & have a number of professional qualifications. . . . . but most of my academic achievements have no connection to the job I presently do.

63k per year

Days worked (very modest estimate) = 233 . . . . @minimum 12 hours per day

That works out at....

hourly Rate = 22.53 (plus vehical i suppose! but i could do without it!)

in fairness I have a good degree of permanency but, a colleague was made redundant last week (decent package) nothing close to the public sector.

Until one month ago I was strongly looking into becoming an entry level secondary school teacher as its something I've always wanted to do.... but I've decided to put that on hold due to the reduction in numbers.

[Bonzo1970]

Are you a primary school teacher? or secondary school teacher?

To keep things fair I believe you should only quote qualifications directly relevant to your current employment. . . . Just attending a course for a few years and regurgitating the information in exams is not a sufficient way to work out one's salary.

Is a Diploma In Cathechetics really needed for you to complete your Job

Leaving out the jobs you do while you are on annual leave.

take your salary of

54k pa

- Primary---- Days actually worked to earn this --- 183

-secondary--- Days actually worked to earn this --- 167

Assuming an average amount of 7 hours ACTUALLY WORKED HOURS per day (taking away your lunch break but allowing time for preparation/corrections etc.. this is generous)

Your hourly rate is

- Primary - = 42.15 -- (295 euro per day)

-secondary - = 46.19-- (323 euro per day)

You have a gold plated pension package ,,, and are virtually un-sackable.

*****

now ... On to me ,,,,

I work in finance, i am In my late 20's ,,,, (thats as specific as i'd like to be.. but its not the bad stuff!)

I manage 32 members of staff.

My salary is circa 65k with defined benefit pension + company car.

I get 28 annual leave days per year, , , but when I am off I field a number of work related phone calls.

I simply can not take a sick day .... EVER.

Most days I work up to 13 hours, and I find it hard to sleep due to the pressure & stress, but sport helps.

Educationally i would be considered very educated(1 part time honors degree in commerce started at age 17 & and a part time post grad in psychology) & have a number of professional qualifications. . . . . but most of my academic achievements have no connection to the job I presently do.

63k per year

Days worked (very modest estimate) = 233 . . . . @minimum 12 hours per day

That works out at....

hourly Rate = 22.53 (plus vehical i suppose! but i could do without it!)

in fairness I have a good degree of permanency but, a colleague was made redundant last week (decent package) nothing close to the public sector.

Until one month ago I was strongly looking into becoming an entry level secondary school teacher as its something I've always wanted to do.... but I've decided to put that on hold due to the reduction in numbers.

For a guy in Finance you are being a bit simplistic in your analysis-Im scheduled 22 hours a week but I presume I do much more than that. Im in work 8:30 and leave at 5. Except for lunch (30 minutes) I work pretty much flat out. Outside of work I do about 6/7 hours a week of material. Im not sure what value working an hour by hour comparison has-an hour working in one job is very different to an hour working in another. I work in a semi-hostile environment-do your underlings damage your personal property or tell you to f.... off aggressively because shock horror you asked him to take off a jacket! Sure I have great time off but did you know statistically you are likely to outlive me?(by Profession) And Guess what-my banker wont let me swap with him for July so I can pay by behind payment mortgage!
Anyway, as stated Im not sure what value comparing hours has overall. You have shown your hand though-Anti teacher or deluded 'how easy it is'

PS-look up word catechetics -I do need it. Im not a pointless Lister of qualifications! I'm not trying to say one job is better than another just interested in comparisons.

[LeftOfCentre]

For a guy in Finance you are being a bit simplistic in your analysis-Im scheduled 22 hours a week but I presume I do much more than that. Im in work 8:30 and leave at 5. Except for lunch (30 minutes) I work pretty much flat out. Outside of work I do about 6/7 hours a week of material. Im not sure what value working an hour by hour compaision has-an hour working in one job is very different to an hour working in another. I work in a semi-hostile envirionment-do your underlings damage your personal property or tell you to f.... off agreesively because shock horror you asked told them to take off a jacket! Sure I have great time off but did you know statistically you are likely to outlive me?(by Profession) And Guess what-my banker wont let me swap with him for July so I can pay by behind payment mortgage!
Anyway as stated Im not sure what value comparing hours has overall. You have shown your hand though-Anti teacher!

PS-look up word catechetics -I do need it. Im not a pointless lister of qualifications!

ok ... So you want a decent reasoned debate, but the first challenge to your post & you say i am anti teacher ! ...... Well I'm not anti teacher at all .... I just think that for the actual work you do,,, you are VERY WELL PAID for it.

I know you dont want to measure it hour by hour ,,,,, of course you don't! ..... The problem with many public/civil servants is they see the word P-R-O-D-U-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y as some sort of offensive language.

There was a time when one could hold a ''Position'' .... But we now need the people we spend our taxes to have ''Jobs'' ... and we need to ensure their work is measured.

I am all for unions, and without them the private sector would treat its workforce like slaves.

But many people in the public sector need a big dose of reality ! . . . The day you finished college should be seen as the day you started your WORKING LIFE ! , , , not as the day it ended !

I went to one of the roughest schools in the country ,.,,,, I know how teachers are treated,,, It's most definitely not for everyone ..... But for some strange reason,,, they cant seem to leave !!!!!! hmmmmm

I can 100% assure you that the stresses of teaching are minor compared to the stresses of many private sector jobs.

again I don't want to teacher bash at all .... I will probably do it for 5-10 years in my career .... but for gods sake get a grip and realise that you have it good .... VERY VERY GOOD !

Good luck going back to school after your two week paid break tomorrow. If it was up to me i would have had you in painting the place for two weeks , , , but then thats the real world!

[Legion]

age 33
Job- Banker,
last year salary + Bonus = 140K
Hours usually 7.30 am to at least 7pm
education Msc

[LeftOfCentre]

age 33
Job- Banker,
last year salary + Bonus = 140K
Hours usually 7.30 am to at least 7pm
education Msc

52 euro per hour -

Compared to our school teacher friend on

''
-secondary - = 46.19-- (323 euro per day)
''

The difference being .... much higher stress levels in banking, quarterly structured appraisal,,,, and constantly being challenged to deliver . . .


Or maybe I'm just being nice to Legion in case he's my boss!

[Silvio Dante]

ok ... So you want a decent reasoned debate, but the first challenge to your post & you say i am anti teacher ! ...... Well I'm not anti teacher at all .... I just think that for the actual work you do,,, you are VERY WELL PAID for it.

I know you dont want to measure it hour by hour ,,,,, of course you don't! ..... The problem with many public/civil servants is they see the word P-R-O-D-U-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y as some sort of offensive language.

There was a time when one could hold a ''Position'' .... But we now need the people we spend our taxes to have ''Jobs'' ... and we need to ensure their work is measured.

I am all for unions, and without them the private sector would treat its workforce like slaves.

But many people in the public sector need a big dose of reality ! . . . The day you finished college should be seen as the day you started your WORKING LIFE ! , , , not as the day it ended !

I went to one of the roughest schools in the country ,.,,,, I know how teachers are treated,,, It's most definitely not for everyone ..... But for some strange reason,,, they cant seem to leave !!!!!! hmmmmm

I can 100% assure you that the stresses of teaching are minor compared to the stresses of many private sector jobs.

again I don't want to teacher bash at all .... I will probably do it for 5-10 years in my career .... but for gods sake get a grip and realise that you have it good .... VERY VERY GOOD !

Good luck going back to school after your two week paid break tomorrow. If it was up to me i would have had you in painting the place for two weeks , , , but then thats the real world!

This post sadly shows just how Labour are dancing to the IBEC tune... About as Left wing and Thatchers handbag...

[Legion]

52 euro per hour -

Compared to our school teacher friend on

''
-secondary - = 46.19-- (323 euro per day)
''

The difference being .... much higher stress levels in banking, quarterly structured appraisal,,,, and constantly being challenged to deliver . . .


Or maybe I'm just being nice to Legion in case he's my boss!

lol, Banking has changed in the sense last year if you changed job you could get another very quickly, Now everyone is minding their back. I do not work for an Irish Bank and I work in Asset Management ,not corporate banking. Sometimes in Asset Management,contacts help a lot to get a job ( or interview), Not right but thats the way it is, I think I was lucky to get in at the time more than being some sort of rocket science banker. Though the hours are long , I can do sometimes 16 hours some days, even weekends, drink way too much in an Ollie Reed sort of way as Im stressed out,

[Bonzo1970]

ok ... So you want a decent reasoned debate, but the first challenge to your post & you say i am anti teacher ! ...... Well I'm not anti teacher at all .... I just think that for the actual work you do,,, you are VERY WELL PAID for it.

I know you dont want to measure it hour by hour ,,,,, of course you don't! ..... The problem with many public/civil servants is they see the word P-R-O-D-U-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y as some sort of offensive language.

There was a time when one could hold a ''Position'' .... But we now need the people we spend our taxes to have ''Jobs'' ... and we need to ensure their work is measured.

I am all for unions, and without them the private sector would treat its workforce like slaves.

But many people in the public sector need a big dose of reality ! . . . The day you finished college should be seen as the day you started your WORKING LIFE ! , , , not as the day it ended !

I went to one of the roughest schools in the country ,.,,,, I know how teachers are treated,,, It's most definitely not for everyone ..... But for some strange reason,,, they cant seem to leave !!!!!! hmmmmm

I can 100% assure you that the stresses of teaching are minor compared to the stresses of many private sector jobs.

again I don't want to teacher bash at all .... I will probably do it for 5-10 years in my career .... but for gods sake get a grip and realise that you have it good .... VERY VERY GOOD !

Good luck going back to school after your two week paid break tomorrow. If it was up to me i would have had you in painting the place for two weeks , , , but then thats the real world!

The arrogance of youth. I would not judge your job unless I actually did it but you make the leap by simply saying you were in a classroom. Teachers dont leave because shock horror they breed -then shock horror the bank has your balls! Not easy to jump career. Perhaps your job is more stressful. That could be true or untrue-who knows. Depends on individual. I never said Teaching is not a bad job but you really are being infantile by breaking it down by hours and time off. Sitting in a classroom gives you very little idea of what job is like to an individual. Your team is motivated I hope. Mine ain't. They are protected by a belief that says its better to have them in class trying little than out on streets. I have no problem with productivity measures so it aint a threat!! So long as Parents are also assessed.

Your package is pretty good. You derserve it Im sure but you have to say its pretty good alll things considered. Mine is too.