ISLAM will take over Ireland by MPAC.ie

[IrishTom]

these are a few snippets of an exchange of emails between myself and the admins at mpac.ie, i think the hidden agenda of these islamic fanatics is quite clear for all to see.

me) Muslims make up less than 1% of Irelands population, over 92 percent of Irish people are Christian, it is therefore a Christian country.


mpac.ie) You can claim that the majority of the people claim Catholicism as their religion, that doesn't make it a Christian country - Catholics are not Christian. And even if they were considered so, the constitution still stands as the banner under which Ireland represents itself to the world. At this time it explicitly states that Ireland will endow NO religion (in 1973 they removed all reference to the Catholic church). This is the law Irish and Proud.


me) All God's prophets (Muhammad did not) did miracles to prove they were speaking for God. God would have it no other way.

The life of Jesus on earth abounded with astounding miracles. The Qur'an itself declares in Surah 5:110 that Jesus performed miracles. Forget what's in the made up Hadiths; the Qur'an itself admits twice that Muhammad said he could do no miracles (Suras 13:7 and Surah 17:90-94 ). Jesus makes it quite clear that miracles are necessary to prove what one speaks is of divine origin. Jesus said; "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father." (John 15:24). Jesus made the deaf hear, the lame walk, the blind see, the dumb speak. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread to feed 5000 people, and he cured lepers and many other diseased people, and raised the dead with his word only. One woman was cured by just touching Jesus' garment. Jesus walked on water, caste out demon spirits, raised his own self from the dead, and finally rose to heaven in front of many witnesses. The ability to confirm one's oral proclamation with supernatural acts is what sets the genuine apart from the counterfeit (The Quran Unveiled, page 216).

mpac.ie) Again the Quran testifies to the greatness of Jesus and also speaks of his miracles. It doesn't deny that Jesus was endowed with these gifts, but you are forgetting one thing. Jesus said "I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. He could only do what God gave him the ability to do. Many of the enemies around the Prophet said what you have said, the Prophet himself was quite upset with this, yet as you quite correctly point out - the Quran does not mention any miracles of the Prophet.


me) Being Irish is a Cultural thing, the Irish culture is one of the oldest cultures in the western world, to be Irish involves alot more than just being born on the Land.
the fact you seem unaware of this deep cultural understanding of our Proud and ancient culture only furthers my Belief you are not Irish, nor are many who claim to be,
just because they were born here. also Christianity is an integral part of Irishness, our national day is named after the man who brought Christianity to Ireland,
You may have heard of him St Patrick, Islam shares no such affinity with our nation, and never will.

mpac.ie) Actually, Christianity is only part of Irish history. It was as foreign as Islam is now when it first came. You do know Christianity was here before Patrick, right? Ireland also celebrates another religious festrival that is closely linked to its past, Halloween or Samhain when innocent children were sacrificed to the 'gods' to ward off the evil spirits. Ireland has more affinity with this pagan religion than it does with the foreign religion of Christianity.


me) It is already destined for failure, too many people fought and died in Ireland for there religion, they will not allow islam to creep in,
I would advise you to be careful in Ireland in regard any type of fanaticism, i think you will find Ireland is not like other European countries,
in which Islam operated with a free rein with fanatics running lose on the streets, shouting sectarian comments,
and with the help of the true God, it never will be.


mpac.ie) I would hardly call it creeping, we've come headlong. Just watch, soon the Garda will allow hijab, soon you'll see Muslims in the Dail. Soon you'll see high profile cases where Muslims highlight inequalities, soon you'll see more mosques, more schools, more visible Muslims on the streets and soon you'll see the truth of Al Islam. It's inevitable, stop fighting it. Accept islam for your salvation.


me) you see this is a fine example of the hidden agenda being pushed by islamic fundamentalists in this country, there is an ongoing attempt by these people to islamicise Ireland, over half of muslim men between the ages of 16-25 in ireland think Ireland would be a better palce to live if it was ruled under sharia Law, this is a very frightning prospect, and it is up to every Irish citizen be they Christian, Atheist, or whatever to prevent this from ever happening, you only have to look at countries were islamics became a large minority to see the destruction they have caused, Paris riots, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany. and Ireland will be next unless we do something to prevent it.

[garlandgreen]

these are a few snippets of an exchange of emails between myself and the admins at mpac.ie, i think the hidden agenda of these islamic fanatics is quite clear for all to see.

me) Muslims make up less than 1% of Irelands population, over 92 percent of Irish people are Christian, it is therefore a Christian country.


mpac.ie) You can claim that the majority of the people claim Catholicism as their religion, that doesn't make it a Christian country - Catholics are not Christian. And even if they were considered so, the constitution still stands as the banner under which Ireland represents itself to the world. At this time it explicitly states that Ireland will endow NO religion (in 1973 they removed all reference to the Catholic church). This is the law Irish and Proud.


me) All God's prophets (Muhammad did not) did miracles to prove they were speaking for God. God would have it no other way.

The life of Jesus on earth abounded with astounding miracles. The Qur'an itself declares in Surah 5:110 that Jesus performed miracles. Forget what's in the made up Hadiths; the Qur'an itself admits twice that Muhammad said he could do no miracles (Suras 13:7 and Surah 17:90-94 ). Jesus makes it quite clear that miracles are necessary to prove what one speaks is of divine origin. Jesus said; "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father." (John 15:24). Jesus made the deaf hear, the lame walk, the blind see, the dumb speak. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread to feed 5000 people, and he cured lepers and many other diseased people, and raised the dead with his word only. One woman was cured by just touching Jesus' garment. Jesus walked on water, caste out demon spirits, raised his own self from the dead, and finally rose to heaven in front of many witnesses. The ability to confirm one's oral proclamation with supernatural acts is what sets the genuine apart from the counterfeit (The Quran Unveiled, page 216).

mpac.ie) Again the Quran testifies to the greatness of Jesus and also speaks of his miracles. It doesn't deny that Jesus was endowed with these gifts, but you are forgetting one thing. Jesus said "I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. He could only do what God gave him the ability to do. Many of the enemies around the Prophet said what you have said, the Prophet himself was quite upset with this, yet as you quite correctly point out - the Quran does not mention any miracles of the Prophet.


me) Being Irish is a Cultural thing, the Irish culture is one of the oldest cultures in the western world, to be Irish involves alot more than just being born on the Land.
the fact you seem unaware of this deep cultural understanding of our Proud and ancient culture only furthers my Belief you are not Irish, nor are many who claim to be,
just because they were born here. also Christianity is an integral part of Irishness, our national day is named after the man who brought Christianity to Ireland,
You may have heard of him St Patrick, Islam shares no such affinity with our nation, and never will.

mpac.ie) Actually, Christianity is only part of Irish history. It was as foreign as Islam is now when it first came. You do know Christianity was here before Patrick, right? Ireland also celebrates another religious festrival that is closely linked to its past, Halloween or Samhain when innocent children were sacrificed to the 'gods' to ward off the evil spirits. Ireland has more affinity with this pagan religion than it does with the foreign religion of Christianity.


me) It is already destined for failure, too many people fought and died in Ireland for there religion, they will not allow islam to creep in,
I would advise you to be careful in Ireland in regard any type of fanaticism, i think you will find Ireland is not like other European countries,
in which Islam operated with a free rein with fanatics running lose on the streets, shouting sectarian comments,
and with the help of the true God, it never will be.


mpac.ie) I would hardly call it creeping, we've come headlong. Just watch, soon the Garda will allow hijab, soon you'll see Muslims in the Dail. Soon you'll see high profile cases where Muslims highlight inequalities, soon you'll see more mosques, more schools, more visible Muslims on the streets and soon you'll see the truth of Al Islam. It's inevitable, stop fighting it. Accept islam for your salvation.


me) you see this is a fine example of the hidden agenda being pushed by islamic fundamentalists in this country, there is an ongoing attempt by these people to islamicise Ireland, over half of muslim men between the ages of 16-25 in ireland think Ireland would be a better palce to live if it was ruled under sharia Law, this is a very frightning prospect, and it is up to every Irish citizen be they Christian, Atheist, or whatever to prevent this from ever happening, you only have to look at countries were islamics became a large minority to see the destruction they have caused, Paris riots, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany. and Ireland will be next unless we do something to prevent it.

Tom. I think you're new here. The guy who writes on this site used to post here as Mujahiid. The replies you got there are nothing. He's a joke. Google Mujahiid and Politics.ie and you'll see what I mean if you check his profile and posts. You can even tell by the reply he have you that we're not talking about the sharpest tool in the box politically

[markeys]

Ah the irony.

IrishTom -supporter of traitors and people that have murdered Irish people, telling others what it is to be Irish.

Ya couldn't make it up.

[ActuallyYourWrong]

I agree with you IrishTom. Anyway, just ignore those nutters, they will never have their way in Ireland.

We are a fighting people, not to be mistaken for the rest of liberal wishy washy self loathing European peoples. Even they too now are rising up as the far right are gaining massive ground in Netherlands etc as the open door policies come to bite them on their asses. I am not far right btw.

The Muppet you were emailing was no doubt Liam Egan, a deluded weak minded Muslim convert that should be in Dundrum lunatic asylum. He has his cohorts on this site too, Alterego, Markeys and ASI Irish also.

Let them suffer in silence, best not to react as they are no threat to our way of life.

They are good comedy though. I give them that.

[Electro]

me) Muslims make up less than 1% of Irelands population, over 92 percent of Irish people are Christian, it is therefore a Christian country.

mpac.ie) You can claim that the majority of the people claim Catholicism as their religion, that doesn't make it a Christian country - Catholics are not Christian. And even if they were considered so, the constitution still stands as the banner under which Ireland represents itself to the world. At this time it explicitly states that Ireland will endow NO religion (in 1973 they removed all reference to the Catholic church). This is the law Irish and Proud.

me) Being Irish is a Cultural thing, the Irish culture is one of the oldest cultures in the western world, to be Irish involves alot more than just being born on the Land.
the fact you seem unaware of this deep cultural understanding of our Proud and ancient culture only furthers my Belief you are not Irish, nor are many who claim to be,
just because they were born here. also Christianity is an integral part of Irishness, our national day is named after the man who brought Christianity to Ireland,
You may have heard of him St Patrick, Islam shares no such affinity with our nation, and never will.

mpac.ie) Actually, Christianity is only part of Irish history. It was as foreign as Islam is now when it first came. You do know Christianity was here before Patrick, right? Ireland also celebrates another religious festrival that is closely linked to its past, Halloween or Samhain when innocent children were sacrificed to the 'gods' to ward off the evil spirits. Ireland has more affinity with this pagan religion than it does with the foreign religion of Christianity.

MPAC.ie's answers are correct. Yours are not.

A fight between Christianity and Islam is something that has been ignited most successfully in the USA.

It is claimed, in the USA's case that the country's Constitution and culture are Christian, therefore "real Americans" should oppose Islam.

Actually, that's not true. The USA was founded by Freemasons who had no sympathy for Christianity. And if you go back into the deep heritage of America, you go back to the Native Indians, whose religiousity is obviously not Christian.

Now we have similar arguments being raised here by IrishTom. Claims that Ireland is/was at its root a "Christian nation". These spurious claims fall flat on their face quicker than corresponding propaganda in America. They deny our secular liberal democratic Constitution. They also deny the affinity Paganism has with the Irish nation. The history of the nation of Ireland does not begin in the 5th Century.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Christian moral principles over (Neo-)Pagan ones any day. That's doesn't mean I'm going to lie about our Constitution, or negate the influence of Paganism.

[mutley]

True there are some muslim fanatics running around - but your view of Muslims is clouded by your Christianity - evangelicals lean very heavily on teaching about the threat of Muslims

This guy would be Muslim equivelent of a Christian fundamentalist

I don't think the Muslim threat is anywere near as big as it is made out to be.

[Silvio Dante]

I'd rather eat with an Islamic family over a murdering endorsing Chucky any day of the week...

[setanta]

Looks like our muslim friends over at mpac.ie pretty much nailed this nutter.

Ireland is represented by neither of these two numpties. One is some hate-mongering, uber-Katholik fundamentalist with a very shaky grip on Irish history, and the other is a representative of a self-selecting group who like to play at being agitators for another type of religious fundamentalism that is not welcomed in Ireland by either Irish muslims or non-muslims.

[IrishTom]

Looks like our muslim friends over at mpac.ie pretty much nailed this nutter.

Ireland is represented by neither of these two numpties. One is some hate-mongering, uber-Katholik fundamentalist with a very shaky grip on Irish history, and the other is a representative of a self-selecting group who like to play at being agitators for another type of religious fundamentalism that is not welcomed in Ireland by either Irish muslims or non-muslims.

i am niether hate mongering or Catholic as you presume, Have you read the koran or studied islam in any way to be able to tell me what it does or does not represent, or is this just your opinion based on nothing more than your opinion.

what exactly is shaky about irish history which i claimed...?

you dont see Christian suicide bombers, or Christian religious states that make it illegal to practice other religions.
or a Christian Law that operates in society.

you do see many many muslim suicide bombers, why just last night there was one in Pakistan who blew himself up along with 30 innocent bystanders, his actions were inspired by islamic scripture like all the other muslim suicide bombers.

you do see many islamic states that are ruled by sharia law, which has among its punishments the stoning to death of woman, for adultery, for being raped, and many other frivilous things.
or saudi arabia were it is illegal to be a christian, and illegal to be anything other than muslim or have any scripture other than the koran.

to compare Islam and christianity on the same level is a big mistake, they are nothing in the way of similar to each other.

[Nem]

They deny our secular liberal democratic Constitution.

Good point. The Republic of Ireland is not a Christian nation by definition. It is indeed a secular form of Government based on liberal principles.